But only the public data is salvageable. I can't imagine the extent of the internal damage. "Intersting" lesson on how painless and deadpan digital autodafé are..
Scary how fast USA is sinking into dark ages.
roenxi 5 hours ago [-]
Looks like an admirable effort, although I assume this is all happening too quickly for them to put out a list of what is actually disappearing. It'll be an interesting topic to revisit in a few months.
misja111 3 hours ago [-]
Does anybody have an example of federal data that has disappeared already? I'm interested what kind of data it's about.
diggan 3 hours ago [-]
Examples:
> At the Department of Justice, a database detailing the vast array of criminal charges and successful convictions of January 6 rioters was removed, according to a report from Donie O’Sullivan and Katelyn Polantz at CNN
> Several pages on the Center for Disease Control have also been removed, including information on LGBTQ+ rights, HIV and adolescent health, reports Will Stone and Selena Simmons-Duffin from NPR
This wholesale purge of data is an effort to rewrite history. Hopefully the Internet can mostly remember.
walrus01 5 hours ago [-]
They already deleted the main USAID YouTube channel, likely so news media can't easily pull any public domain footage of projects in various developing nations.
The USAID Office of Transition Initiatives (USAID/OTI) began its program in Haiti in January 2010 as part of the post-earthquake response, supporting short- and medium-term activities aimed at stabilizing Haiti through support for community revitalization, improved governance, and economic strengthening.
somenameforme 1 hours ago [-]
Whether this is a great or awful example probably depends on one's views of USAID. They were associated with the Red Cross there in the high profile failure that managed to spend more than $1.5 billion to ultimately build a total of 6 permanent housing units. [1] While that was definitely more Red Cross than USAID, the video also makes no secret of what one of the major issues with USAID is. It uses the pretext of aid, but generally has the goal of manipulating the politics in other countries, which often leads to conflict. Quoting literally from that video,
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... the following november the election represented a potential flashpoint for instability but also an opportunity for haitians to determine their own future. usaid coordinated the first televised presidential debates and supported voter education campaigns including a mobile strategy using text messages to help with political awareness ...
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Ironic because it's rather clear who USAID was endorsing [2] because his opponent (who lost) [3] ran specifically on a platform of a "more independent Haitian state, one less reliant upon and subject to foreign governments and NGOs." The USAID (and Bill/Hillary Clinton) backed candidate was roiled in numerous claims of corruption, subsequent vote rigging, backing Haitian criminal gangs, and was ultimately sanctioned by the US and Canada for involvement in cocaine trafficking into the US. Incidentally, as the video also mentions, USAID spent their money not on the people, but the government - they built the units for this lovely fellow's government to reside in as the Presidential Palace was severely damaged in the quake.
You can’t just walk into a third world country and expect the candidate pool to be a bunch of noble laureates (we barely have such a candidate pool in the West). Logistically, I would try organize via the government too for maximum effect.
Nonetheless, your investigation is important. We need way more testimonials to get to the bottom of these things. Are programs like USAID a grift, or are the people cancelling it the grifters, or is the answer the dreaded middle?
This is the only way we’re going to re-find the spirit of this country (because it is absolutely absent at the moment). Americans have always been proud of programs that carry the legacy of the Marshall Plan.
I don’t want to get rid of a program just because it failed, anything can fail. We need to know if the people getting rid of these things even believe in goodwill and charity. They may not, in which case debating the finances and accounting is the obvious distraction.
This is less about if we have the money in the room, and more so about did we put people with the right fucking hearts in the room.
An uncharitable person will fight goodwill even if it’s free.
know-how 3 hours ago [-]
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enaaem 2 hours ago [-]
What do Trump supporters here think of this?
junek 2 hours ago [-]
I doubt they think much, in general
somenameforme 39 minutes ago [-]
I don't think there as many "Trump supporters" as one might think. His plan to defacto take ownership of Gaza or to relocate Gazans is overwhelmingly negatively received. So that's pretty clear that people are forming views based on actions, rather than a cult of personality or party. And on that, I do support these actions - but in both directions oddly. From an earlier post in this thread somebody linked to some examples of what's being taken down. Here [1] is one of the CDC pages that's been removed.
It has the CDC doing everything from encouraging schools to push DEI hard, to getting kids to create student-run clubs based around their sexuality. I think that's quite inappropriate, but that's also one of the many reasons I think this needs to be preserved. We somehow went from good common sense ideas like equality of opportunity and allowing same sex couples the same rights under marriage, to gradually shifting into equality of outcome or, as per this page, having kids run clubs in school about sexuality, at the CDC's beckoning no less?
It's all just quite odd. I think people in the future won't believe this stuff was happening to this degree, and so I think it's extremely important to preserve it, and to try to learn from it all. At worst it can simply serve as a very important time capsule. It'd be nice if, at some point, societies could stop bouncing between extremes (or even worse - staying at one end or the other) and maintain a more stable center.
One type thinks that the data being disappeared is "trans DEI libtard lies".
The other type believes that the federal government should collect no data because it is stealing a Job Creator's god-given right to act as a middleman in all aspects of human culture and charge money for access to that data (because that's, somehow, more efficient).
soupbowl 20 minutes ago [-]
Nice! Now do Biden/Harris supporters.
snakeyjake 4 minutes ago [-]
No.
Every time someone says or implies "bOtH sIdEs" a kid gets kicked out of a free and reduced school lunch program.
Fuck you.
Fuck off.
And go fuck yourself.
libsofhn 2 hours ago [-]
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actionfromafar 6 hours ago [-]
So, are the feds saving money on hosting costs?! What's the point of this.
guff_se 6 hours ago [-]
This is not an objection against saving hosting costs, it is the fact that the original data is not saved or backed up.
To understand our future we need to know our past.
Saving shelf space in the library is not a good justification to burn our history books. If you don’t like having them up, you can put them in the basement. Storage costs hardly anything.
guff_se 6 hours ago [-]
This is of course a deliberate move. By actively destroying ideas and work you don’t agree with, rather than archiving it, you make it harder for the other side to realize their vision.
It’s a kind of scorched earth strategy.
computerthings 2 hours ago [-]
As Hannah Arendt said, the difference between traditional and modern lies is like the difference between hiding it, and destroying it.
> Moreover, the traditional lie concerned only particulars and was never meant to deceive literally everybody; it was directed at the enemy and was meant to deceive only him. These two limitations restricted the injury inflicted upon truth to such an extent that to us, in retrospect, it may appear almost harmless. Since facts always occur in a context, a particular lie – that is, a falsehood that makes no attempt to change
the whole context – tears, as it were, a hole in the fabric of factuality. As every historian knows, one can spot a lie by noticing incongruities, holes, or the junctures of patched-up places. As long as the texture as a whole is kept intact, the lie will eventually
show up as if of its own accord. The second limitation concerns those who are engaged in the business of deception. They used to belong to the restricted circle of statesmen and diplomats, who among themselves still knew and could preserve the truth.They were not likely to fall victims to their own falsehoods; they could deceive others without deceiving themselves. Both of these mitigating circumstances of the old art of lying are noticeably absent from the manipulation of facts that confronts us today.
-- Hannah Arendt, "Truth and Politics"
watwut 5 hours ago [-]
It is easier to claim "everything functions better then before" if you destroyed data about how to worked before and have under control what is said about now.
exe34 3 hours ago [-]
Chocolate rations can increase from 60g to 40g if you don't have a record of how much you got last week.
lazide 6 hours ago [-]
Especially if done from the official archives, since you can then claim any copies are ‘fake news’/forgeries.
mschuster91 4 hours ago [-]
It has worked in the past. One of the first things the OG 1933-45 Nazis burned down once they took power was the "Institut für Sexualwissenschaft" [1] - a research center around gender and sexuality - after about a decade of anti-queer hate. That set the fight for queer / LGBT issues back for many, MANY decades.
Parallels to current events are completely obvious.
It is important to note that pre-WW1, Germany was considered to be one of the most sophisticated societies in the world. That's where everyone worth a shit with a mind wanted to be. It's quite curious how the best were corrupted.
mschuster91 39 minutes ago [-]
That was due to the loss of the war and the followup economic devastation brought by the reparation payments that caused a lot of issues in the economy at large, followed by the 1918 flu pandemic that also caused serious issues (and with 25M dead, even more death than WW1 itself!).
One might be tempted to again draw parallels to today's situation in the US, with the US having lost the war in Afghanistan as well as everyone having suffered through years of Covid.
pjc50 4 hours ago [-]
Presumably this is being downvoted by idealogues, but it's absolutely correct. A couple of years ago I went to an exhibition in Munich on this subject, of surviving material from the era.
It was a German doctor of the 1920s who pioneered the idea of giving trans people what was effectively a doctor's note against police harrasment, an ancestor of the modern paperwork transition process.
matwood 2 hours ago [-]
You have to have enemies to unite an army around.
exe34 3 hours ago [-]
any idea why this is such a big deal to Nazis? I know they go after other people too, but it's really eerie watching it replay scene by scene.
llamaimperative 3 hours ago [-]
Scapegoating politically and culturally disempowered groups is super useful to such movements.
Notice how literally every single problem in our country is “caused by DEI” now?
It helps because it’s easier to solve fake problems with fake solutions instead of real ones.
zmgsabst 3 hours ago [-]
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llamaimperative 2 hours ago [-]
I wasn’t shaming anyone for condemning DEI, I was shaming them for being bad at solving problems.
zmgsabst 2 hours ago [-]
> Notice how literally every single problem in our country is “caused by DEI” now?
> It helps because it’s easier to solve fake problems with fake solutions instead of real ones.
This is a strawman and implying their fight against a bigoted ideology isn’t a legitimate thing to do. You are in fact shaming them for standing up against a bigoted praxis.
> Scapegoating politically and culturally disempowered groups is super useful to such movements.
This is incorrect - they’re not scapegoating minorities: they’re condemning an elite philosophy, advocated by some of the most powerful institutions in the country.
Institutions that appropriated minority voices as a shield against criticism — as you’ve done here, by your conflation.
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n4r9 1 hours ago [-]
I guess OP is referring to stuff like Trump's baseless claims that DEI was a factor in the recent plane crash. I hope we can agree that that's an absurd position regardless of our own perspective on DEI.
zmgsabst 1 hours ago [-]
Part of the staffing shortage in air traffic control is their (now discontinued) policy of not hiring qualified whites. A class-action related to that was filed in 2019 and expected to head to trial soon.
A single person's allegation of being passed over is a long way from proving that DEI policies contributed to staffing shortages. Moreover the audio from the recordings shows that the helicopter was warned and advised to avoid the plane, suggesting that staff shortages were not a crucial factor.
skulk 2 hours ago [-]
Playing the victim is also another page right out of the Nazi playbook, thanks for bringing that one up too!
zmgsabst 2 hours ago [-]
Yes — the people the US Supreme Court ruled were illegally discriminated against are just “playing victim”.
fzeroracer 2 hours ago [-]
I'm curious, what would you call banning transgender individuals from the military then?
zmgsabst 1 hours ago [-]
Per Wikipedia:
> On February 10, 2025, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth filed a memo with the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. stating that, effective immediately, no "individuals with a history of gender dysphoria" would be permitted to join the military, and no "medical procedures associated with affirming or facilitating a gender transition" would be provided to transgender service members.
They’re banning a DSM condition and refusing to provide surgeries that leave a person unfit for service for an extended period.
There’s lots of disqualifying psychiatric and personality conditions, eg:
Last time, the US Supreme Court reversed a stay on such an order (allowing it to go into effect) — but the case was never resolved due to presidential turnover. We’ll see what happens this time.
n4r9 1 hours ago [-]
> There’s lots of disqualifying psychiatric and personality conditions
Looking at your link, I can see how the conditions specified there would make someone less effective as a soldier. I can't say the same for gender dysphoria.
ocuild 39 minutes ago [-]
Men who insist that they are women (or vice versa) and then demand that everyone else accommodate this false belief is a good enough reason for the military to say no to their recruitment, as it is detrimental to unit cohesion.
n4r9 20 seconds ago [-]
If you go back to the 60s, homosexuals were insisting that their sexuality was not a peversion and demanding that everyone else accommodate this belief. Many at the time viewed it as a false belief contrary to biological law. That was wrong then, and this is wrong now.
fzeroracer 50 minutes ago [-]
I think you're avoiding the point. These are individuals that have otherwise already passed military training and fitness tests to determine whether or not they are able to participate and function as soldiers. They are actively a part of our military and being thrown out.
n4r9 3 hours ago [-]
Fascism is rooted in ideas of purity, paternalism, and natural order. Moreover it needs one or more marginalised groups to be a focus of hatred for the general population. Transgenderism threatens all of those ideas and is therefore an especial target of hatred.
harimau777 56 minutes ago [-]
Gender non-conformance emphasizes the idea that individuals have the power to define their own identity and way of life. Even if authoritarians don't care about gender specifically, they still don't want people getting funny ideas about self determination.
Specifically fascist authoritarians are likely to be concerned about gender non-conformance because their mythologies often often emphasize a society that's organized around men who can go to war and women who support them as homemakers.
defrost 3 hours ago [-]
They had complicated feelings about their little trouser nazi sig heil'ing everytime they went to the Weimar cabaret.
There's been a few posts on HN suggesting reading Timothy Snyder. When the Nazis began labeling "enemies", they kind of didn't know where to stop. So it was Jews, non whites, gays (today it would be all lgbtq), communists, the list was big. When they invaded Poland, they ran into combinations of things they hated, so now they were dealing with Jewish Communists (whereas in Germany they were just Jews, or in Russia, they were just Communists). Their evil just combined and combined into a form where they had to hate everything ...
> The struggle for total domination of the total population of the earth, the elimination of every competing nontotalitarian reality, is inherent in the totalitarian regimes themselves; if they do not pursue global rule as their ultimate goal, they are only too likely to lose whatever power they have already seized. Even a single individual can be absolutely and reliably dominated only under global totalitarian conditions. Ascendancy to power therefore means primarily the establishment of official and officially recognized headquarters (or branches in the case of satellite countries) for the movement and the acquisition of a kind of laboratory in which to carry out the experiment with or rather against reality, the experiment in organizing a people for ultimate purposes which disregard individuality as well as nationality, under conditions which are admittedly not perfect but are sufficient for important partial results. Totalitarianism in power uses the state administration for its long-range goal of world conquest and for the direction of the branches of the movement; it establishes the secret police as the executors and guardians of its domestic experiment in constantly transforming reality into fiction; and it finally erects concentration camps as special laboratories to carry through its experiment in total domination.
and
> Any, even the most tyrannical, restriction of this arbitrary persecution to certain opinions of a religious or political nature, to certain modes of intellectual or erotic social behavior, to certain freshly invented "crimes," would render the camps superfluous, because in the long run no attitude and no opinion can withstand the threat of so much horror; and above all it would make for a new system of justice, which, given any stability at all, could not fail to produce a new juridical person in man, that would elude the totalitarian domination. The so-called "Volksnutzen" of the Nazis, constantly fluctuating (because what is useful today can be injurious tomorrow) and the eternally shifting party line of the Soviet Union which, being retroactive, almost daily makes new groups of people available for the concentration camps, are the only guaranty for the continued existence of the concentration camps, and hence for the continued total disfranchisement of man.
> The next decisive step in the preparation of living corpses is the murder of the moral person in man. This is done in the main by making martyrdom, for the first time in history, impossible: "How many people here still believe that a protest has even historic importance? This skepticism is the real masterpiece of the SS. Their great accomplishment. They have corrupted all human solidarity. Here the night has fallen on the future. When no witnesses are left, there can be no testimony. To demonstrate when death can no longer be postponed is an attempt to give death a meaning, to act beyond one's own death. In order to be successful, a gesture must have social meaning. There are hundreds of thousands of us here, all living in absolute solitude. That is why we are subdued no matter what happens." [Rousset]
[..]
> The concentration camps, by making death itself anonymous (making it impossible to find out whether a prisoner is dead or alive) robbed death of its meaning as the end of a fulfilled life. In a sense they took away the individual's own death, proving that henceforth nothing belonged to him and he belonged to no one. His death merely set a seal on the fact that he had never really existed.
> This attack on the moral person might still have been opposed by man's conscience which tells him that it is better to die a victim than to live as a bureaucrat of murder. Totalitarian terror achieved its most terrible triumph when it succeeded in cutting the moral person off from the individualist escape and in making the decisions of conscience absolutely questionable and equivocal. When a man is faced with the alternative of betraying and thus murdering his friends or of sending his wife and children, for whom he is in every sense responsible, to their death; when even suicide would mean the immediate murder of his own family — how is he to decide? The alternative is no longer between good and evil, but between murder and murder. Who could solve the moral dilemma of the Greek mother, who was allowed by the Nazis to choose which of her three children should be killed?
> Through the creation of conditions under which conscience ceases to be adequate and to do good becomes utterly impossible, the consciously organized complicity of all men in the crimes of totalitarian regimes is extended to the victims and thus made really total.
[..]
> If we take totalitarian aspirations seriously and refuse to be misled by the common-sense assertion that they are Utopian and unrealizable, it develops that the society of the dying established in the camps is the only form of society in which it is possible to dominate man entirely. Those who aspire to total domination must liquidate all spontaneity, such as the mere existence of individuality will always engender, and track it down in its most private forms, regardless of how unpolitical and harmless these may seem. Pavlov's dog, the human specimen reduced to the most elementary reactions, the bundle of reactions that can always be liquidated and replaced by other bundles of reactions that behave in exactly the same way, is the model "citizen" of a totalitarian state; and such a citizen can be produced only imperfectly outside of the camps.
bloomingkales 44 minutes ago [-]
Thank you for that. You quoted the author of the phrase “Banality of Evil”:
Arendt's book introduced the expression and concept of the banality of evil.[15] Her thesis is that Eichmann was actually not a fanatic or a sociopath, but instead an average and mundane person who relied on clichéd defenses rather than thinking for himself,[16] was motivated by professional promotion rather than ideology, and believed in success which he considered the chief standard of "good society".[17] Banality, in this sense, does not mean that Eichmann's actions were in any way ordinary, but that his actions were motivated by a sort of complacency which was wholly unexceptional.
know-how 3 hours ago [-]
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josteink 3 hours ago [-]
> By actively destroying ideas and work you don’t agree with, rather than archiving it, you make it harder for the other side to realize their vision.
Ok. I’ll bite.
Can you show me examples of how previous administrations have worked to maintain and back up systems and content it disagrees with and deemed wrong (or different policy, conservative, right-wing, white-supremacist, hateful, whatever)?
Because if they didn’t do it before, how is this any different now?
actionfromafar 3 hours ago [-]
Maintaining systems is an operational thing, not an administration thing. Are you saying purges of federal data is something routine after a US transfer of power?
p3rls 3 hours ago [-]
He is citing the famous court case "what goes around v comes around"
The difference is those were private platforms not giving a soapbox to certain politicians that were quite clearly violating private terms of service. This is the federal government deleting taxpayer-funded content, data and studies. They are not similar in any way and to imply otherwise is a disingenuous comparison.
p3rls 1 hours ago [-]
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harimau777 53 minutes ago [-]
At least in recent history, there haven't been mass purges of information when a new administration came into power. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in isolated cases, and that would of course be wrong, but nothing like what we are seeing now.
hiddencost 2 hours ago [-]
This is totally unprecedented.
WhyNotHugo 5 hours ago [-]
For a political leader who makes a lot of unsubstantiated claims where data contradicts him, removing that data makes his claims a lot harder to refute.
hexaga 6 hours ago [-]
It is presented as an attack against the left, which is popular with proponents of the current administration. Trying to analyze it at the object level is pointless - this is, chiefly, a political move toward political ends.
soco 4 hours ago [-]
Reminds me of that tweet where someone was complaining how difficult is to combat the arguments of the left because these tend to be based on facts.
lazide 6 hours ago [-]
Really it’s just an attack against any truth/data found inconvenient. Why argue when you can just make it not exist?
0xEF 5 hours ago [-]
Fascists control the future by changing the past. Simple as.
USAID and recent actions are just the start. After four more years of this blatantly slippery slope we are on, the removal of a YouTube channel will seem quaint and petty compared to what's to come.
matwood 2 hours ago [-]
I think we're about the learn how effective the internet really is at remembering. Here is Rubio talking about how great USAID is not that long ago...
Not he says it's a criminal organization they've been trying to get rid of over multiple administrations.
Obviously they want to scrub all the past.
lazide 40 minutes ago [-]
We’ve always been at war with East Asia.
christkv 4 hours ago [-]
I view it more like a battle between two groups of the elites. The left/right prism is a distraction. Personally I think both political parties got taken over by what we used to call the Neo-cons. The Republicans underwent an internal revolution that sidelined the Neo-cons inside it. So I view this as a battle between one group Neo-cons vs this new group represented by the current administration.
I don't have an opinion if that is better or worse, only time will tell. Demolishing USAID etc. should be seen as purging their political enemies and their supporters who's been nesting in the public structure for a couple of decades.
llamaimperative 3 hours ago [-]
I can help here: the group who is canceling life-saving treatment for millions of people, including 566,000 children, as part of a purge of “political enemies” are the bad ones.
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matwood 2 hours ago [-]
> What's the point of this.
"Who controls the past, controls the future."
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washadjeffmad 2 hours ago [-]
It looks like you're getting some knee-jerk downvotes because some people are likely misreading your exasperation with what practical utility removing the data could possibly serve as "So [what], the feds are saving money on hosting costs?! What's the point of this [thread]."
That's not your fault, and I'm sorry.
4ndrewl 6 hours ago [-]
So, we're saving money on shelf space by burning those books. What's the problem?!
rizky05 6 hours ago [-]
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zo1 3 hours ago [-]
I'm still waiting on an example of this precious "data" that was removed. What they are removing, and very obviously and proudly of it mind you, are pages that reference anything that contradicts the executive orders. Notably anything DEI and transgender related.
So the activists and media are hyping these page removals as "oh Evil Trump is getting rid of government accountability and our ability to verify his bold claims" because it generates some activism and mobilization by Left leaning individuals. It's such a predictable response, straight out of the Leftist Media Handbook. Honestly, I don't understand how these people haven't learned yet. They pioneered, mobilized and weaponized online activism, cancel culture, etc, and are now being utterly out-played that it's honestly quite sad to see them pearl clutching their little playbook, thinking it will still work against a competent and organized opponent. An opponent that now sees the obvious danger posed by Leftist ideologies against their way of life, and their children's safe future.
misja111 2 hours ago [-]
I'm curious how e.g. the USAID anti-aids program was an 'obvious danger posed by Leftist ideologies against their way of life, and their children's safe future'.
zo1 2 hours ago [-]
I didn't make that leap, you did; to dismiss my point. I don't see anything wrong or evil about preventing aids. In fact it's a huge problem in the country where I live in and hope to have it resolved.
hiddencost 2 hours ago [-]
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anon7000 2 hours ago [-]
It’s because you frankly have a pretty petty, small-sized idea about what the left’s goals were.
To you, the goal is to fucking burn out everyone you disagree with, and to change the government to actively persecute those who aren’t in the in group. It’s super aggressive, and by your own admission, not really what the leftists were doing.
The liberal ideas are pretty goddamn simple. There’s a place for everyone, as long as you’re not hurting someone or making them uncomfortable. That really sums up a large part of cancel culture. Yeah, it means you’ll get a lot more flack for being a dick.
But we don’t try to get rid of consumer protections, weather forecasts, social safety nets (and those safety nets provide benefits to anyone, even if they got cancelled, by the way), and the like just because our feelings got hurt.
But I know for a god damn fact that my children would be safer in a liberal future.
Some of the info taken down includes stuff about protecting women from harassment and abuse. Would my daughter be safer in your world. I mean a solid 90% of cancel culture is people who were absolutely horrid towards the women in their lives. You want to make crass jokes again? Or not get called out for wandering eyes and hands? Yeah, I’m sure ignoring that widespread problem will protect our daughters.
4ndrewl 39 minutes ago [-]
He's not called the pussy-grabber-in-chief for nothing.
harimau777 38 minutes ago [-]
I think that some of the issue may be your framing. Even if Trump is just enforcing his executive orders, it is possible that the orders themselves are anti-democratic.
If Trump's executive orders were simply changes in policy then they might still be bad but they wouldn't necessarily be a threat to democracy. The issue arises in that his executive orders go beyond that to attempt to attack worldviews that he doesn't like. "Gender non-conforming people cannot use a given bathroom" is a policy. "There are only two genders" is a worldview. Even though I disagree with both of them, the second is a much more anti-democratic.
Scary how fast USA is sinking into dark ages.
> At the Department of Justice, a database detailing the vast array of criminal charges and successful convictions of January 6 rioters was removed, according to a report from Donie O’Sullivan and Katelyn Polantz at CNN
> Several pages on the Center for Disease Control have also been removed, including information on LGBTQ+ rights, HIV and adolescent health, reports Will Stone and Selena Simmons-Duffin from NPR
From https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2025/feb/04/the-fight...
This wholesale purge of data is an effort to rewrite history. Hopefully the Internet can mostly remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcla7WoWIpQ
The USAID Office of Transition Initiatives (USAID/OTI) began its program in Haiti in January 2010 as part of the post-earthquake response, supporting short- and medium-term activities aimed at stabilizing Haiti through support for community revitalization, improved governance, and economic strengthening.
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... the following november the election represented a potential flashpoint for instability but also an opportunity for haitians to determine their own future. usaid coordinated the first televised presidential debates and supported voter education campaigns including a mobile strategy using text messages to help with political awareness ...
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Ironic because it's rather clear who USAID was endorsing [2] because his opponent (who lost) [3] ran specifically on a platform of a "more independent Haitian state, one less reliant upon and subject to foreign governments and NGOs." The USAID (and Bill/Hillary Clinton) backed candidate was roiled in numerous claims of corruption, subsequent vote rigging, backing Haitian criminal gangs, and was ultimately sanctioned by the US and Canada for involvement in cocaine trafficking into the US. Incidentally, as the video also mentions, USAID spent their money not on the people, but the government - they built the units for this lovely fellow's government to reside in as the Presidential Palace was severely damaged in the quake.
[1] - https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-red-cross-raised-...
[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Martelly
[3] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirlande_Manigat
Nonetheless, your investigation is important. We need way more testimonials to get to the bottom of these things. Are programs like USAID a grift, or are the people cancelling it the grifters, or is the answer the dreaded middle?
This is the only way we’re going to re-find the spirit of this country (because it is absolutely absent at the moment). Americans have always been proud of programs that carry the legacy of the Marshall Plan.
I don’t want to get rid of a program just because it failed, anything can fail. We need to know if the people getting rid of these things even believe in goodwill and charity. They may not, in which case debating the finances and accounting is the obvious distraction.
This is less about if we have the money in the room, and more so about did we put people with the right fucking hearts in the room.
An uncharitable person will fight goodwill even if it’s free.
It has the CDC doing everything from encouraging schools to push DEI hard, to getting kids to create student-run clubs based around their sexuality. I think that's quite inappropriate, but that's also one of the many reasons I think this needs to be preserved. We somehow went from good common sense ideas like equality of opportunity and allowing same sex couples the same rights under marriage, to gradually shifting into equality of outcome or, as per this page, having kids run clubs in school about sexuality, at the CDC's beckoning no less?
It's all just quite odd. I think people in the future won't believe this stuff was happening to this degree, and so I think it's extremely important to preserve it, and to try to learn from it all. At worst it can simply serve as a very important time capsule. It'd be nice if, at some point, societies could stop bouncing between extremes (or even worse - staying at one end or the other) and maintain a more stable center.
[1] - https://web.archive.org/web/20250122231813/https://www.cdc.g...
One type thinks that the data being disappeared is "trans DEI libtard lies".
The other type believes that the federal government should collect no data because it is stealing a Job Creator's god-given right to act as a middleman in all aspects of human culture and charge money for access to that data (because that's, somehow, more efficient).
Every time someone says or implies "bOtH sIdEs" a kid gets kicked out of a free and reduced school lunch program.
Fuck you.
Fuck off.
And go fuck yourself.
> Moreover, the traditional lie concerned only particulars and was never meant to deceive literally everybody; it was directed at the enemy and was meant to deceive only him. These two limitations restricted the injury inflicted upon truth to such an extent that to us, in retrospect, it may appear almost harmless. Since facts always occur in a context, a particular lie – that is, a falsehood that makes no attempt to change the whole context – tears, as it were, a hole in the fabric of factuality. As every historian knows, one can spot a lie by noticing incongruities, holes, or the junctures of patched-up places. As long as the texture as a whole is kept intact, the lie will eventually show up as if of its own accord. The second limitation concerns those who are engaged in the business of deception. They used to belong to the restricted circle of statesmen and diplomats, who among themselves still knew and could preserve the truth.They were not likely to fall victims to their own falsehoods; they could deceive others without deceiving themselves. Both of these mitigating circumstances of the old art of lying are noticeably absent from the manipulation of facts that confronts us today.
-- Hannah Arendt, "Truth and Politics"
Parallels to current events are completely obvious.
[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissen...
One might be tempted to again draw parallels to today's situation in the US, with the US having lost the war in Afghanistan as well as everyone having suffered through years of Covid.
It was a German doctor of the 1920s who pioneered the idea of giving trans people what was effectively a doctor's note against police harrasment, an ancestor of the modern paperwork transition process.
Notice how literally every single problem in our country is “caused by DEI” now?
It helps because it’s easier to solve fake problems with fake solutions instead of real ones.
> It helps because it’s easier to solve fake problems with fake solutions instead of real ones.
This is a strawman and implying their fight against a bigoted ideology isn’t a legitimate thing to do. You are in fact shaming them for standing up against a bigoted praxis.
> Scapegoating politically and culturally disempowered groups is super useful to such movements.
This is incorrect - they’re not scapegoating minorities: they’re condemning an elite philosophy, advocated by some of the most powerful institutions in the country.
Institutions that appropriated minority voices as a shield against criticism — as you’ve done here, by your conflation.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/diversity-hiring-cost-job-faa-081...
> On February 10, 2025, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth filed a memo with the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. stating that, effective immediately, no "individuals with a history of gender dysphoria" would be permitted to join the military, and no "medical procedures associated with affirming or facilitating a gender transition" would be provided to transgender service members.
They’re banning a DSM condition and refusing to provide surgeries that leave a person unfit for service for an extended period.
There’s lots of disqualifying psychiatric and personality conditions, eg:
https://uscga.edu/admissions/common-disqualifying-medical-co...
Last time, the US Supreme Court reversed a stay on such an order (allowing it to go into effect) — but the case was never resolved due to presidential turnover. We’ll see what happens this time.
Looking at your link, I can see how the conditions specified there would make someone less effective as a soldier. I can't say the same for gender dysphoria.
Specifically fascist authoritarians are likely to be concerned about gender non-conformance because their mythologies often often emphasize a society that's organized around men who can go to war and women who support them as homemakers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdM36y-Dkyg
https://archive.org/details/TheOriginsOfTotalitarianism/
> The struggle for total domination of the total population of the earth, the elimination of every competing nontotalitarian reality, is inherent in the totalitarian regimes themselves; if they do not pursue global rule as their ultimate goal, they are only too likely to lose whatever power they have already seized. Even a single individual can be absolutely and reliably dominated only under global totalitarian conditions. Ascendancy to power therefore means primarily the establishment of official and officially recognized headquarters (or branches in the case of satellite countries) for the movement and the acquisition of a kind of laboratory in which to carry out the experiment with or rather against reality, the experiment in organizing a people for ultimate purposes which disregard individuality as well as nationality, under conditions which are admittedly not perfect but are sufficient for important partial results. Totalitarianism in power uses the state administration for its long-range goal of world conquest and for the direction of the branches of the movement; it establishes the secret police as the executors and guardians of its domestic experiment in constantly transforming reality into fiction; and it finally erects concentration camps as special laboratories to carry through its experiment in total domination.
and
> Any, even the most tyrannical, restriction of this arbitrary persecution to certain opinions of a religious or political nature, to certain modes of intellectual or erotic social behavior, to certain freshly invented "crimes," would render the camps superfluous, because in the long run no attitude and no opinion can withstand the threat of so much horror; and above all it would make for a new system of justice, which, given any stability at all, could not fail to produce a new juridical person in man, that would elude the totalitarian domination. The so-called "Volksnutzen" of the Nazis, constantly fluctuating (because what is useful today can be injurious tomorrow) and the eternally shifting party line of the Soviet Union which, being retroactive, almost daily makes new groups of people available for the concentration camps, are the only guaranty for the continued existence of the concentration camps, and hence for the continued total disfranchisement of man.
> The next decisive step in the preparation of living corpses is the murder of the moral person in man. This is done in the main by making martyrdom, for the first time in history, impossible: "How many people here still believe that a protest has even historic importance? This skepticism is the real masterpiece of the SS. Their great accomplishment. They have corrupted all human solidarity. Here the night has fallen on the future. When no witnesses are left, there can be no testimony. To demonstrate when death can no longer be postponed is an attempt to give death a meaning, to act beyond one's own death. In order to be successful, a gesture must have social meaning. There are hundreds of thousands of us here, all living in absolute solitude. That is why we are subdued no matter what happens." [Rousset]
[..]
> The concentration camps, by making death itself anonymous (making it impossible to find out whether a prisoner is dead or alive) robbed death of its meaning as the end of a fulfilled life. In a sense they took away the individual's own death, proving that henceforth nothing belonged to him and he belonged to no one. His death merely set a seal on the fact that he had never really existed.
> This attack on the moral person might still have been opposed by man's conscience which tells him that it is better to die a victim than to live as a bureaucrat of murder. Totalitarian terror achieved its most terrible triumph when it succeeded in cutting the moral person off from the individualist escape and in making the decisions of conscience absolutely questionable and equivocal. When a man is faced with the alternative of betraying and thus murdering his friends or of sending his wife and children, for whom he is in every sense responsible, to their death; when even suicide would mean the immediate murder of his own family — how is he to decide? The alternative is no longer between good and evil, but between murder and murder. Who could solve the moral dilemma of the Greek mother, who was allowed by the Nazis to choose which of her three children should be killed?
> Through the creation of conditions under which conscience ceases to be adequate and to do good becomes utterly impossible, the consciously organized complicity of all men in the crimes of totalitarian regimes is extended to the victims and thus made really total.
[..]
> If we take totalitarian aspirations seriously and refuse to be misled by the common-sense assertion that they are Utopian and unrealizable, it develops that the society of the dying established in the camps is the only form of society in which it is possible to dominate man entirely. Those who aspire to total domination must liquidate all spontaneity, such as the mere existence of individuality will always engender, and track it down in its most private forms, regardless of how unpolitical and harmless these may seem. Pavlov's dog, the human specimen reduced to the most elementary reactions, the bundle of reactions that can always be liquidated and replaced by other bundles of reactions that behave in exactly the same way, is the model "citizen" of a totalitarian state; and such a citizen can be produced only imperfectly outside of the camps.
Arendt's book introduced the expression and concept of the banality of evil.[15] Her thesis is that Eichmann was actually not a fanatic or a sociopath, but instead an average and mundane person who relied on clichéd defenses rather than thinking for himself,[16] was motivated by professional promotion rather than ideology, and believed in success which he considered the chief standard of "good society".[17] Banality, in this sense, does not mean that Eichmann's actions were in any way ordinary, but that his actions were motivated by a sort of complacency which was wholly unexceptional.
Ok. I’ll bite.
Can you show me examples of how previous administrations have worked to maintain and back up systems and content it disagrees with and deemed wrong (or different policy, conservative, right-wing, white-supremacist, hateful, whatever)?
Because if they didn’t do it before, how is this any different now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplatforming
USAID and recent actions are just the start. After four more years of this blatantly slippery slope we are on, the removal of a YouTube channel will seem quaint and petty compared to what's to come.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/05/politics/video/kfile-marc...
Not he says it's a criminal organization they've been trying to get rid of over multiple administrations.
Obviously they want to scrub all the past.
I don't have an opinion if that is better or worse, only time will tell. Demolishing USAID etc. should be seen as purging their political enemies and their supporters who's been nesting in the public structure for a couple of decades.
"Who controls the past, controls the future."
That's not your fault, and I'm sorry.
So the activists and media are hyping these page removals as "oh Evil Trump is getting rid of government accountability and our ability to verify his bold claims" because it generates some activism and mobilization by Left leaning individuals. It's such a predictable response, straight out of the Leftist Media Handbook. Honestly, I don't understand how these people haven't learned yet. They pioneered, mobilized and weaponized online activism, cancel culture, etc, and are now being utterly out-played that it's honestly quite sad to see them pearl clutching their little playbook, thinking it will still work against a competent and organized opponent. An opponent that now sees the obvious danger posed by Leftist ideologies against their way of life, and their children's safe future.
To you, the goal is to fucking burn out everyone you disagree with, and to change the government to actively persecute those who aren’t in the in group. It’s super aggressive, and by your own admission, not really what the leftists were doing.
The liberal ideas are pretty goddamn simple. There’s a place for everyone, as long as you’re not hurting someone or making them uncomfortable. That really sums up a large part of cancel culture. Yeah, it means you’ll get a lot more flack for being a dick.
But we don’t try to get rid of consumer protections, weather forecasts, social safety nets (and those safety nets provide benefits to anyone, even if they got cancelled, by the way), and the like just because our feelings got hurt.
But I know for a god damn fact that my children would be safer in a liberal future.
Some of the info taken down includes stuff about protecting women from harassment and abuse. Would my daughter be safer in your world. I mean a solid 90% of cancel culture is people who were absolutely horrid towards the women in their lives. You want to make crass jokes again? Or not get called out for wandering eyes and hands? Yeah, I’m sure ignoring that widespread problem will protect our daughters.
If Trump's executive orders were simply changes in policy then they might still be bad but they wouldn't necessarily be a threat to democracy. The issue arises in that his executive orders go beyond that to attempt to attack worldviews that he doesn't like. "Gender non-conforming people cannot use a given bathroom" is a policy. "There are only two genders" is a worldview. Even though I disagree with both of them, the second is a much more anti-democratic.