Maybe others will relate? I'm not a headphone person but always have music playing in the background on speakers — often at a fairly low volume so it is easily ignored, talked over.
I find without the presence of external music I will have a song playing in my head instead. And generally the same song for hours (!). So I suppose the external click-track freezes up my mind somehow.
In case anyone cares, my "playlist" is local music I've purchased over the decades — maybe 4 or 5 days long? In my "lab" (man-cave, I suppose) I have a shorter, streamed playlist on the stereo that is looping over new music that I am currently "auditioning". The songs that make the cut are purchased and added eventually to the local playlist that plays elsewhere.
sph 11 hours ago [-]
In the past few years, getting songs stuck in my head (earworms) has become so easy I pretty much don’t listen to music with vocals anymore. Only ambient, techno and psytrance for me. (Pop I imagine would be the absolute worst, lab engineered to be memorable)
I’m certain the DSM-5 might list that as a symptom of going crazy or whatever, but I don’t care to know, I guess it’s a new quirk of mine. That said, I truly dislike having neighbours practicing an instrument, which means having to suffer the same tune for far too long, and it getting stuck in my head for 2 more days.
recursive 4 hours ago [-]
I have music stuck in my head more or less constantly. It's never bothered, and I'm kind of surprised to find all the remedies suggested here. For me, instrumental music is no different from vocal music. It can be a riff from a solo, a chord change, an interesting timbre, or pretty much any sound. Sometimes I think they're not from songs that have yet been recorded. Just the imagination of sounds that turn over and over. I've always kind of liked it. I'm a musician myself, and I think it helps me think of old music in new ways.
globnomulous 9 hours ago [-]
> In the past few years, getting songs stuck in my head (earworms) has become so easy I pretty much don’t listen to music with vocals anymore. Only ambient, techno and psytrance for me. (Pop I imagine would be the absolute worst, lab engineered to be memorable)
Same. This is partly why SomaFM (esp. Space Station Soma, Drone Zone, and Mission Control) and soundtracks are my jam.
I think it's also partly why I can't stand Vivaldi or Hiromi. Vivaldi writes classical pop -- so heavy on melody that it may as well be choral. It's easy to sing, and sounds like song, so it gets stuck in the ear. Hiromi, in turn, plays the piano quite literally like she's singing (honestly, I think she's a musical acrobat with no feel for the piano as an instrument), which results in ear worms for the same reason.
Bill Evans, by contrast, is so chock full of harmonic complexity and color that it's physically impossible to sing along with him. I never tire of him. Same for Wayne Shorter and Bach, though for different reasons.
And I just realized that this is probably partly why I hate musical theater so fervently.
alexjplant 3 hours ago [-]
> In the past few years, getting songs stuck in my head (earworms) has become so easy I pretty much don’t listen to music with vocals anymore.
Ditto the sibling comment about this happening to me for instrumental music. I have thousands of hooks floating around my head. I whistle and sing when I walk around if nobody is within earshot. 90% of the time I wake up with a melody in my head that won't go away. I kind of like it because it's developed my musical ability in a passive, cumulative way.
encom 10 hours ago [-]
This can be associated with ADHD. Guess how I know.
lgeorget 9 hours ago [-]
I know many people who say they can't live without music, cannot work or just be around home without listening to something. I understand their experience but I can't relate at all. It's not that I don't like music or that I'm particularly sensitive to noise but I practically never listen to music I put myself. I feel like I could just live without it completely.
bojan 8 hours ago [-]
Since I have children I almost never listen to music. The kids are such a sensory overload that, when I get a moment of silence alone, I don't want to ruin it with sound.
BLKNSLVR 3 hours ago [-]
Depending on the age of your children, you should play music to introduce them to it. Some of my best memories from when my kids were young is of them dancing around uncontrollably to In The Hall of the Mountain King and Hergest Ridge (a particular section). They loved it. It activates something.
They need to know there's more out there than The Wiggles.
recursive 5 hours ago [-]
I have kids. When I get a moment alone, I find that's a perfect opportunity to do some high quality listening without interruption.
SoftTalker 7 hours ago [-]
For me it depends on my mood. Sometimes I like to have background music going, sometimes I enjoy silence.
TechDebtDevin 8 hours ago [-]
I'm like this but replace music with audiobooks/podcasts..
crent 12 hours ago [-]
I'm glad you shared your experience because I've dealt with this for decades. It's usually a small snippet, 15 seconds or less, of a song that just loops over and over for me.
What I do to combat this, and other "brain noise", is also to listen to music but I use headphones with high volume. I also listen to the same playlist repeatedly so it's not distracting and instead quiets that loud part of my brain to allow me to focus.
chrisweekly 9 hours ago [-]
Strong recommendation to use noise-cancelling instead of high volume. Hearing loss sucks! Protect your ears!
jaymzcampbell 11 hours ago [-]
I'm relieved to know from reading this thread I'm not completely crazy. I have the same thing, a very, very short snippet just repeatedly "playing". I become very conscious of it at various moments and try to "change the track" to some other repeated snippet. I've yet to find a pattern to which track is next.
threecheese 11 hours ago [-]
Same. It’s five seconds of “Yankee Doodle Dandy” looping over and over and makes me want to crawl inside a blaring tuba to drown it out.
When people mention “intrusive thoughts” this is what comes to my mind.
thewebguyd 11 hours ago [-]
Same, but instead of the same playlist I'll put the same song on repeat while working. It really does quiet the mind and lets me focus.
chrisweekly 9 hours ago [-]
Same. I posted upthread about my flowstate playlist, optimized for tracks to put on repeat for focus.
>>I'm not a headphone person but always have music playing in the background on speakers — often at a fairly low volume so it is easily ignored...<<
Given the number of self-exonerating qualifications in that statement, I think that deep down you know that people who play their music aloud in the office should be shot.
maeil 13 hours ago [-]
> I find without the presence of external music I will have a song playing in my head instead. And generally the same song for hours (!).
I have this, but then for days. It's not fun. Sleeping a lot helps, to an extent.
ecalifornica 8 hours ago [-]
You might enjoy Oliver Sacks' book Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain. You're not alone in your experience.
pknopf 9 hours ago [-]
I'm exactly like this.
I have a OneWheel that I use to get around, and a JBL speaker. I legit listen to music in Publix isles, dancing, vibing, all day, every day.
I'm known around my neighborhood as "the speaker guy".
If I don't have music playing, I'm usually finger drumming/tapping/bobbing my head anyway.
aerostable_slug 8 hours ago [-]
> JBL speaker
On behalf of everyone else in the world, please invest in headphones.
Broadcasting in this way is boorish and the kind of thing emotionally stunted people do to inflict their will upon others. I'm not saying you're necessarily like that, but you're 'wearing their uniform' so to speak.
velp 8 hours ago [-]
Being known as "the speaker guy" isn't a compliment.
Also, do a kickflip.
maleldil 3 hours ago [-]
Please stop forcing your music on everyone around you. Get headphones.
chrisweekly 9 hours ago [-]
I have a carefully-curated Spotify playlist -- "FLOWSTATE: Repeatable FTW"[1] -- that I specifically optimized for "flowstate" (/Cal Newport "deep work" sessions). The tracks span various moods or vibes, but all are strictly instrumental, w/ limited dynamic range or significant musical variation, and a steady, energizing beat -- ie they're each deliberately repetitive and work well set on repeat. Airpods in, pick a track that resonates w my mood, set it on repeat, set my Pomodoro timer (to remind me to stand and move instead of hyperfocus for hours straight), and I can reliably enter flowstate almost right away.
Yeah, since I prefer Bandcamp and, as you say, the bigger artists are not there, I end up buying shitty MP3s from Amazon for their songs.
So I end up with real high quality Japanese Breakfast and MP3-quality Pixies.
Novosell 13 hours ago [-]
Aye, bandcamp is the go-to. It's funny that the further production gets from someones bedroom the less likely you are to be able to buy a lossless version. All that production for a 192kbps MP3...
edu 10 hours ago [-]
And buying the CD and ripping it?
Novosell 2 hours ago [-]
In my country the availability is very poor for CDs, unless I wanna spend loads of time hunting for used ones maybe. But that's far more time than I'm willing to spend when I can just pirate it.
I'll gladly give them my money, I'll pay 20€ for a flac album. I do it often enough on bandcamp. But big companies just don't care to cater to me, so they don't get my money.
saint_yossarian 11 hours ago [-]
hdtracks.com has a pretty big catalog, but is sometimes a bit expensive.
StefanBatory 11 hours ago [-]
Same for me; I can get songs stuck in my head too easily.
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tananan 16 hours ago [-]
Study finds you enjoy doing things you like. If there's something you particularly like, you seem to enjoy it even more.
If you are missing on some form of pleasure in your life, substituting it for another pleasure can help alleviate the pain.
Woah.
RajT88 14 hours ago [-]
I used to live near a nice downtown with a riverwalk. I liked to take my guitar and go play under the bridge at night. The bridge was concrete and the reverb was crazy good.
(Does that make me a troll? A troll posting on the internet??)
I found it terribly soothing. Sometimes I'd bring a friend with and we'd play together.
bluGill 13 hours ago [-]
I assume you listened for kids walking over the bridge and then jumped up "Who is trip tropping over my bridge". One of my favorite actives, and done right the kids laugh (don't get too close or do anything else that would make the kids scared!)
RajT88 9 hours ago [-]
This was Naperville, IL. So that kind of behavior is very risky.
You could get sued for 10 million dollars. Or these days, deported to Aurora.
seplox 9 hours ago [-]
You just reminded me of one of my favorite Tony Joe White songs, so thanks!
The study also explains that one feels less lonely when listening to their favourite music, which is kinda new to me. I mean, feeling better makes sense and is quite obvious, as you sarcastically say, but I wouldn't think that listening to music makes one feel less alone.
jack_pp 16 hours ago [-]
Depends, if you listen to Emo/sad/heartbreak songs you will probably feel much more lonely.
clcaev 15 hours ago [-]
I wouldn't assume that sad songs make you more lonely. For someone dealing with grief, it may act as drug-free therapy. Perhaps deepened sorrow at first, but when one deals with grief, mental state and behavior can improve.
InsideOutSanta 15 hours ago [-]
When I work from home, I usually listen to Sade, Brandy, Monica, Faith Evans, and similar music. Although the music is often about heartbreak, it doesn't make me sad. I find it calming.
basisword 15 hours ago [-]
I think it's the opposite. Those songs are good because you find someone can relate to you and therefore you would feel less lonely. Maybe not less sad, but more connected.
jjulius 13 hours ago [-]
I listen to sad songs with great regularity and jam the hell out to the sheer musicianship within, actually.
odyssey7 16 hours ago [-]
The cause or the effect? I would actually guess no for the effect, since music preferences are associated with community membership.
neuroticnews25 14 hours ago [-]
I wonder if it may be beneficial even if you're not naturally willing to do it, similar to how introverts feel better after acting extroverted [0] [1]
:) pleasure is the gateway experience into enjoying yourself
singularity2001 15 hours ago [-]
This is one of the cases I call reality mismatch:
Through evolution we have been programmed to associate music with security of the group being nearby. Now we can listen to music even though the group is very distant in time and space. Maybe it's not a complete reality mismatch because in a sense we are still close to the group through the Internet.
However the positive feelings are over exaggerated given the limited modern benefits.
brudgers 11 hours ago [-]
Some people don’t have strong bonds with groups and some people don’t have experiences where identifiable groups were a source of security.
This is the experience of outsiders. People without tribe. There choice is not between bread and cake, but between bread and an empty belly.
s1artibartfast 10 hours ago [-]
To be honest, I dont have a lot of time for complaints from such people. Maybe I am one, but the solution is to go live in a cabin and bake your own bread, not sit at the table looking for sympathy.
wiether 10 hours ago [-]
That seems to be an extreme reaction?
They were just stating the reality of some people that don't necessarily chose to feel how they feel...
s1artibartfast 10 hours ago [-]
That wasn't my reading. It was the bread or death part that did for me.
To me it seemed like melodramatic self pity, like the person complain that they had no other choice but go to the party but be alone. If someone hates company, they should go be a hermit, not show up and tell everyone about it.
It's okay to be a loner or a hermit. If you're not doing it, then either you are choosing the trade offs or you don't actually want it.
People should own their choices. Self pity and denial of agency are two of the most self destructive cognitive phenomenon.
brudgers 9 hours ago [-]
That wasn't my reading
Indeed, it was your misreading.
s1artibartfast 9 hours ago [-]
Sure seemed melodramatic to me. care to explain the choice between bread and an empty belly in a way that isn't intended to garner sympathy? It is a pretty loaded metaphor.
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em-bee 2 hours ago [-]
the problem is in your apparent conclusion that "people without a tribe" are only in that state because they hate company. which doesn't make sense. if they indeed hated company they would not do what you say is bothering you. the reason they come to the party alone and tell you about it is because they do want company but have difficulty finding that company. being a loner most often is not a choice. it is something that we force onto others because we don't accept them the way they are. those who are loners by choice are not the kind of people who go to parties.
what agency is it that i should have that would allow me to make friends with people? i can't use my agency to change the behavior of others. you are right of course that self pity and denial of agency don't help. but the comments you are responding to don't talk about that at all. they are not suggesting that people without a tribe wallow in self pity and denial of agency. you brought that up.
i am the kind of person that has difficulty finding a tribe. (my tribe is here on HN and in the FOSS community to an extent. but those people are all distant and hard to meet. btw, you are one of the few names on HN that i recognize because of interesting discussions we had already). except i don't show up at parties where i am not welcome and don't talk to people that don't want to listen to me. but that's why i used my agency to leave my home country and travel the world to find communities that accept others without judging them and without expecting them to change just for the sake of being accepted.
em-bee 12 hours ago [-]
i thought it is comparable to talking to my friends online instead of in person. in my case those friends are on a different continent. i do have local fiends too, but talking to my online friends is what keeps me connected to my the place where i grew up. (even though these friends are not from that time)
interestingly, as someone who plays an instrument, i don't enjoy just listening to music as much because i'd rather play with friends
scop 14 hours ago [-]
That’s a fascinating take. Music until very recently was indeed an incredibly social activity bound with layers of talent, leisure (purpose/meaning/security), belonging, etc.
As people have been chatting about the Metaverse or AR I often quip that we’ve already had AR for awhile: headphones.
The ubiquitous of AirPods, even amongst employees on the clock in recent years, has only reinforced my belief that we are already deep down the AR rabbit hole and seeing both the positive and negative effects. Augmented reality is great, but we still need to be grounded and able to act within reality. It’s the reality that must be our base, not the augmented part. The augmented should serve to improve reality, not replace.
cryptopian 13 hours ago [-]
One of the most enjoyable musical experiences I had recently was on a choir exchange in Europe. We were at a concert afterparty with choirs from two other countries, exchanging drunken folk songs. Were we pleasant to listen to? Probably not. It was raucous and out of tune, but it was a bunch of people sharing something we loved.
em-bee 12 hours ago [-]
i had a similar experience in scouting. german scouting has a strong singing tradition to the point that there are regular competitions that attract groups from all over europe. also camps where multiple groups meet. imagine your after party experience every night for multiple days, maybe even a week or two.
moritzruth 13 hours ago [-]
That sounds beautiful.
scop 12 hours ago [-]
Singing in adult choirs has been one of my most spiritually and socially rewarding activities. You really feel a brother in arms with your fellow singers. Perhaps it is because singing is such an embarrassing activity in isolation, but then the sheer force of all the voices come together to make something of such power and beauty that you are incapable of replicating yourself. I’ll never forget the tenors I sang Faures Requiem or Beethoven 9th with.
volkl48 5 hours ago [-]
We created office jobs that required sustained individual focus.
The traditional (high-walled) cube farm may be ugly, but it's also one where an employee could often work at their desk with relatively few distractions. If you're not going to build private offices, they're not that awful of a compromise for enabling focus.
Then in the past decade or two, we had the open-office trend, and changed the office to one full of endless visual and auditory distractions making focus difficult.
Employees wearing headphones at work is an obvious attempt by many to reduce the distractions that bad office design has created.
hackable_sand 10 hours ago [-]
Did you mean to say "performance" instead of "music"?
Either way, this sounds like vague popsci reasoning.
DrillShopper 10 hours ago [-]
There are a lot of things that I find wrong with Spotify, but one of the features it does have that I have found helpful is a feature where you can listen along using what Spotify calls a Jam:
> Friends who join a Jam can listen and add songs to the queue together, whether in-person or virtually.
> Note: Premium is needed to start and host a Jam. Free users can join and add songs to a Jam hosted by a Premium user, allowing for in-person Jams. This feature works also with smart speakers and most Bluetooth speakers.
I've used this with online friends, and it's really good. If you use a voice chat app (we usually use Mumble) you can even talk while the music plays.
SOMAFM's SF police radio with ambient music is surprisingly good for concentration, I have this on an alias in my box : mpv https://somafm.com/sf1033.pls
e40 9 hours ago [-]
Does nothing for me ("Play" does nothing) with uBO enabled in FF.
tetris11 9 hours ago [-]
Works fine for me in Firefox for Android with uBO.
The music is quite sparsely melodic though and easy to miss
e40 8 hours ago [-]
Maybe because I'm not signed in? I disabled uBO and it still doesn't play. Hmm.
haileys 35 minutes ago [-]
SomaFM is some of the best of the internet. There's no ads and you don't need to sign in. You can just stream it without faff.
Try opening your browser's console, network inspector, etc. and see what happens when you try to play. There will almost certainly be enough hints in there to diagnose the issue.
riyanapatel 8 hours ago [-]
I can't argue that I really enjoy music as my working background noise. Something else unique is I enjoy listening to TV shows, or more, "noise". I usually put on a simple TV show I've seen before that doesn't need a lot of attention (Friends, the Office, New Girl, Big Bang Theory), that creates that background noise. It's like white noise to me :)
SteelByte 8 hours ago [-]
Fascinating research showing music's powerful social effects. Would be interesting to see if the results hold up across different demographics and cultures. Also curious about the neurological mechanisms at play - perhaps solo music activates brain regions involved in empathy and social bonding? Exciting implications for music therapy applications.
stronglikedan 8 hours ago [-]
If you want to know if this is for you, but you don't want to spend a lot of money, start with iems. It's quite the hobby, as well as education. It's very cheap and accessible to start off, while getting the full hi-fi music feeling. Of course, if you stick with it, it can get very expensive.
hk1337 12 hours ago [-]
I wonder if it's a similar case with having tv shows running in the background? Music is often too stimulating for me but I like having the TV running in the background cycling through tv shows.
jrmyphlmn 10 hours ago [-]
if one's childhood had many instances of tv playing in the background, then I suspect it's their nervous system marking that environment as their most safe/comfortable environment and that revisiting it can have a soothing effect on them?
Ylpertnodi 11 hours ago [-]
Many years ago, I always used to have TV on whilst I did (composed) music.
With YouTube (and others) nowadays, I still found myself doomscrolling, so I bought a digital TV tuner and have that in a window.
Productivity up.
pearlsontheroad 15 hours ago [-]
I wonder if the positive effect is also associated with a sense of autonomy and control of the environment.
ssttoo 11 hours ago [-]
Confusing title, I thought there was something special in solo music, e.g. pieces for one piano or a single classical guitar
qoez 13 hours ago [-]
Study shows people relying on studies for common sense found less adept at independent thinking
euvitudo 11 hours ago [-]
My birds are much happier when music is playing. And they seem to have preferences over time. Like there are no predators around when the environment around them is noisy.
khalladay 9 hours ago [-]
Though I found they like having control over whether the music is playing more... to my chagrin. I tried to keep my parrot from being too noisy through the day by setting up a microphone in his room, and having it turn off the radio for 30 seconds every time he was louder than a threshold amount.
Day one -> he triggered the shut down ~10 times.
Day two -> easily 50.
Day three -> you can see where this is going
Dude freaking LOVED being able to turn on and off the radio. It almost beat out being able to flap his wings and make the curtains move as one of his favourite hobbies.
em-bee 2 hours ago [-]
you thought you were punishing him by taking away the music if he makes to much noise and you give him a tool that gives him control over his environment. seems that backfired because it looks like the parrot is less interested in the music itself but in this new ability to control the radio.
_fat_santa 12 hours ago [-]
Just from personal experience, listening to music in the morning while I make my coffee is an essential part of my morning routing, to the point that I will be upset if I can't do it.
dimal 9 hours ago [-]
This is a cynical take, but I’m increasingly becoming tired of studies like this. Is this is where our science funding is going? It’s clever, trite, and probably meaningless. I keep reading about the publish/perish problem in academia and how it encourages research that safe, slightly interesting, but not too interesting, and doesn’t move anything forward. This study seems to fit that criteria.
And since it’s behind a paywall, I can’t really determine the how the study was designed, how well powered it is, how they defined statistical significance, and exactly how they justify their conclusion. But it got clicks and comments, so I guess it served its purpose, only to be quickly forgotten in endless churn of popular science news.
I’m sad to say, I’m beginning to think that a lot of current science is bullshit. As a very pro-science person, this is very depressing.
Pixelious 15 hours ago [-]
Another study that states obvious facts. Of course listening to music boosts your well-being, heck, doing anything you enjoy doing tends to do so.
tonytamps 14 hours ago [-]
Not sure if your response was deliberately obtuse or not, but in case it was accidental I wanted to point out that you may have missed a key word - "social" well-being.
It's one thing if listening to music makes you feel good, but another completely if listening makes you more capable of socialising. This may be more important for others than it is for you.
tananan 14 hours ago [-]
You are reading into something that isn't there. The study doesn't have to do with music making you more capable of socializing.
The hypothesis being tested is that in the absence of social interaction, people will turn to surrogates in order to make up for the perceived lack. Specifically, they test if music can be such a surrogate. They do some surveys and a kind of silly experiment to provide evidence that yes- it can.
The reason it is rightly called pointless is that it brings nothing actionable to the table.
You cannot extract advice from showing evidence for a common-sense observation: If you feel a certain lack, activities you find pleasurable can diminish that lack.
And look at the experimental setup: They make people play an online game with others where certain people are excluded from playing. It turns out that people who are hyped from listening to their favorite song found this less jarring, hence showing that music can be a "social buffer", i.e. make up for a perceived social exclusion.
Let everyone individually conclude how insightful this experiment is.
EDIT: Misunderstood the nature of the "Cyberball" experiment, fixed
bluGill 13 hours ago [-]
Until it doesn't. It is an obvious fact that a heavy rock will fall faster than a light rock. Only because you have been taught otherwise for all your life do you realize it isn't a fact even though it is obvious.
6stringmerc 10 hours ago [-]
Yeah but having a CHOICE in the music typically plays an important role! I mean in jail the only free option Tarrant County offered was Christian music (rap and contemporary) and that stuff was actually irritating to me. I wasn’t actively accessing it - I couldn’t NOT hear it coming through the ventilation system.
I wrote about how it’s a form of indoctrination to exploit people’s desire for something that they love yet only present a brainwashing oriented selection:
well in that situation you are not listening in isolation.
ThinkBeat 7 hours ago [-]
The study found that for people who are lonely or sad,
listening to music helped them.
Wow. How utterly expected.
Next, they will do studies and find that people who are
lonely or sad, are helped when they attend a concert
with their favorite band.
Or when they eat their favorite food.
"After two years of studies, we conclude that people who
are feeling lonely or sad, eating their favorite food
gives them a boost and feel better".
The metric that would be useful is "better" for how long?
chaosprint 11 hours ago [-]
is there any good app to know local music event?
bitwize 8 hours ago [-]
I dunno, man, just from personal experience... I never went to raves back in the day, and only occasionally to clubs. With one exception I found the mobs of sweaty drunken (or otherwise intoxicated) people borderline intolerable. But sitting in my room with headphones on, blasting trance or other EDM... I feel swept up and part of something. It's also the best way for me to bro out lots of code, with that stuff pumping. It's like the rhythm provides guide-rails for my brain to keep it going a certain direction.
The one exception? I once saw Armin Van Buuren do one of his legendary hours-long sets. That man is like the Pied Piper. Whatever energy the floor had before he came on was amplified a hundredfold and I just danced and danced, people be damned.
FollowingTheDao 14 hours ago [-]
"This study was funded in part by the International Coalition of Headphone Manufactures."
But seriously, "Music as a social surrogate"? How is this good? What we need is to fix the social structure, not find out ways to compensate for the miserable state we are in.
"In terms of social needs, we have a social fuel tank. This tank helps us understand if we are able to get to our destination—the destination being positive mental health outcomes, like feeling satisfied with our lives, having positive self-image, and feeling accepted by others. The problem is that past measures used in psychology research only tell us how much fuel is in the tank—not what types of fuel are in the tank, or how much of each type of fuel is in there.
In this study, the measure that I created helps researchers understand what types of fuel are in the tank, and how much of each type of fuel is in the tank, that is leading to those outcomes. It gives us a better idea of what is going on to help people get those positive outcomes."
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autobodie 11 hours ago [-]
Wonderful! I am increasingly drowning in debt, my career is a dead end thanks to AI, and my landlord is making my daily life a stressful misery, but I can listen to music on my headphones. Thanks science!
I find without the presence of external music I will have a song playing in my head instead. And generally the same song for hours (!). So I suppose the external click-track freezes up my mind somehow.
In case anyone cares, my "playlist" is local music I've purchased over the decades — maybe 4 or 5 days long? In my "lab" (man-cave, I suppose) I have a shorter, streamed playlist on the stereo that is looping over new music that I am currently "auditioning". The songs that make the cut are purchased and added eventually to the local playlist that plays elsewhere.
I’m certain the DSM-5 might list that as a symptom of going crazy or whatever, but I don’t care to know, I guess it’s a new quirk of mine. That said, I truly dislike having neighbours practicing an instrument, which means having to suffer the same tune for far too long, and it getting stuck in my head for 2 more days.
Same. This is partly why SomaFM (esp. Space Station Soma, Drone Zone, and Mission Control) and soundtracks are my jam.
I think it's also partly why I can't stand Vivaldi or Hiromi. Vivaldi writes classical pop -- so heavy on melody that it may as well be choral. It's easy to sing, and sounds like song, so it gets stuck in the ear. Hiromi, in turn, plays the piano quite literally like she's singing (honestly, I think she's a musical acrobat with no feel for the piano as an instrument), which results in ear worms for the same reason.
Bill Evans, by contrast, is so chock full of harmonic complexity and color that it's physically impossible to sing along with him. I never tire of him. Same for Wayne Shorter and Bach, though for different reasons.
And I just realized that this is probably partly why I hate musical theater so fervently.
Ditto the sibling comment about this happening to me for instrumental music. I have thousands of hooks floating around my head. I whistle and sing when I walk around if nobody is within earshot. 90% of the time I wake up with a melody in my head that won't go away. I kind of like it because it's developed my musical ability in a passive, cumulative way.
They need to know there's more out there than The Wiggles.
What I do to combat this, and other "brain noise", is also to listen to music but I use headphones with high volume. I also listen to the same playlist repeatedly so it's not distracting and instead quiets that loud part of my brain to allow me to focus.
When people mention “intrusive thoughts” this is what comes to my mind.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43585365
Given the number of self-exonerating qualifications in that statement, I think that deep down you know that people who play their music aloud in the office should be shot.
I have this, but then for days. It's not fun. Sleeping a lot helps, to an extent.
I have a OneWheel that I use to get around, and a JBL speaker. I legit listen to music in Publix isles, dancing, vibing, all day, every day.
I'm known around my neighborhood as "the speaker guy".
If I don't have music playing, I'm usually finger drumming/tapping/bobbing my head anyway.
On behalf of everyone else in the world, please invest in headphones.
Broadcasting in this way is boorish and the kind of thing emotionally stunted people do to inflict their will upon others. I'm not saying you're necessarily like that, but you're 'wearing their uniform' so to speak.
Also, do a kickflip.
1. Here's the playlist if anyone's interested:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6UScdOAlqXqWTOmXFgQhFA?si=...
So I end up with real high quality Japanese Breakfast and MP3-quality Pixies.
I'll gladly give them my money, I'll pay 20€ for a flac album. I do it often enough on bandcamp. But big companies just don't care to cater to me, so they don't get my money.
If you are missing on some form of pleasure in your life, substituting it for another pleasure can help alleviate the pain.
Woah.
I found it terribly soothing. Sometimes I'd bring a friend with and we'd play together.
You could get sued for 10 million dollars. Or these days, deported to Aurora.
Tony Joe White - Even Trolls Love Rock and Roll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fJMNJTEhuw
[0] https://archive.is/Ipdxc
[1] https://online.ucpress.edu/collabra/article/7/1/29931/119109...
Through evolution we have been programmed to associate music with security of the group being nearby. Now we can listen to music even though the group is very distant in time and space. Maybe it's not a complete reality mismatch because in a sense we are still close to the group through the Internet.
However the positive feelings are over exaggerated given the limited modern benefits.
This is the experience of outsiders. People without tribe. There choice is not between bread and cake, but between bread and an empty belly.
They were just stating the reality of some people that don't necessarily chose to feel how they feel...
To me it seemed like melodramatic self pity, like the person complain that they had no other choice but go to the party but be alone. If someone hates company, they should go be a hermit, not show up and tell everyone about it.
It's okay to be a loner or a hermit. If you're not doing it, then either you are choosing the trade offs or you don't actually want it.
People should own their choices. Self pity and denial of agency are two of the most self destructive cognitive phenomenon.
Indeed, it was your misreading.
what agency is it that i should have that would allow me to make friends with people? i can't use my agency to change the behavior of others. you are right of course that self pity and denial of agency don't help. but the comments you are responding to don't talk about that at all. they are not suggesting that people without a tribe wallow in self pity and denial of agency. you brought that up.
i am the kind of person that has difficulty finding a tribe. (my tribe is here on HN and in the FOSS community to an extent. but those people are all distant and hard to meet. btw, you are one of the few names on HN that i recognize because of interesting discussions we had already). except i don't show up at parties where i am not welcome and don't talk to people that don't want to listen to me. but that's why i used my agency to leave my home country and travel the world to find communities that accept others without judging them and without expecting them to change just for the sake of being accepted.
interestingly, as someone who plays an instrument, i don't enjoy just listening to music as much because i'd rather play with friends
As people have been chatting about the Metaverse or AR I often quip that we’ve already had AR for awhile: headphones.
The ubiquitous of AirPods, even amongst employees on the clock in recent years, has only reinforced my belief that we are already deep down the AR rabbit hole and seeing both the positive and negative effects. Augmented reality is great, but we still need to be grounded and able to act within reality. It’s the reality that must be our base, not the augmented part. The augmented should serve to improve reality, not replace.
The traditional (high-walled) cube farm may be ugly, but it's also one where an employee could often work at their desk with relatively few distractions. If you're not going to build private offices, they're not that awful of a compromise for enabling focus.
Then in the past decade or two, we had the open-office trend, and changed the office to one full of endless visual and auditory distractions making focus difficult.
Employees wearing headphones at work is an obvious attempt by many to reduce the distractions that bad office design has created.
Either way, this sounds like vague popsci reasoning.
> Friends who join a Jam can listen and add songs to the queue together, whether in-person or virtually.
> Note: Premium is needed to start and host a Jam. Free users can join and add songs to a Jam hosted by a Premium user, allowing for in-person Jams. This feature works also with smart speakers and most Bluetooth speakers.
I've used this with online friends, and it's really good. If you use a voice chat app (we usually use Mumble) you can even talk while the music plays.
The music is quite sparsely melodic though and easy to miss
Try opening your browser's console, network inspector, etc. and see what happens when you try to play. There will almost certainly be enough hints in there to diagnose the issue.
Day one -> he triggered the shut down ~10 times. Day two -> easily 50. Day three -> you can see where this is going
Dude freaking LOVED being able to turn on and off the radio. It almost beat out being able to flap his wings and make the curtains move as one of his favourite hobbies.
And since it’s behind a paywall, I can’t really determine the how the study was designed, how well powered it is, how they defined statistical significance, and exactly how they justify their conclusion. But it got clicks and comments, so I guess it served its purpose, only to be quickly forgotten in endless churn of popular science news.
I’m sad to say, I’m beginning to think that a lot of current science is bullshit. As a very pro-science person, this is very depressing.
It's one thing if listening to music makes you feel good, but another completely if listening makes you more capable of socialising. This may be more important for others than it is for you.
The hypothesis being tested is that in the absence of social interaction, people will turn to surrogates in order to make up for the perceived lack. Specifically, they test if music can be such a surrogate. They do some surveys and a kind of silly experiment to provide evidence that yes- it can.
The reason it is rightly called pointless is that it brings nothing actionable to the table.
You cannot extract advice from showing evidence for a common-sense observation: If you feel a certain lack, activities you find pleasurable can diminish that lack.
And look at the experimental setup: They make people play an online game with others where certain people are excluded from playing. It turns out that people who are hyped from listening to their favorite song found this less jarring, hence showing that music can be a "social buffer", i.e. make up for a perceived social exclusion.
Let everyone individually conclude how insightful this experiment is.
EDIT: Misunderstood the nature of the "Cyberball" experiment, fixed
I wrote about how it’s a form of indoctrination to exploit people’s desire for something that they love yet only present a brainwashing oriented selection:
https://samhenrycliff.medium.com/tarrant-county-sheriff-bill...
Wow. How utterly expected.
Next, they will do studies and find that people who are lonely or sad, are helped when they attend a concert with their favorite band.
Or when they eat their favorite food.
"After two years of studies, we conclude that people who are feeling lonely or sad, eating their favorite food gives them a boost and feel better".
The metric that would be useful is "better" for how long?
The one exception? I once saw Armin Van Buuren do one of his legendary hours-long sets. That man is like the Pied Piper. Whatever energy the floor had before he came on was amplified a hundredfold and I just danced and danced, people be damned.
But seriously, "Music as a social surrogate"? How is this good? What we need is to fix the social structure, not find out ways to compensate for the miserable state we are in.
From https://www.utica.edu/college-community/utica-stories/fillin...
"In terms of social needs, we have a social fuel tank. This tank helps us understand if we are able to get to our destination—the destination being positive mental health outcomes, like feeling satisfied with our lives, having positive self-image, and feeling accepted by others. The problem is that past measures used in psychology research only tell us how much fuel is in the tank—not what types of fuel are in the tank, or how much of each type of fuel is in there.
In this study, the measure that I created helps researchers understand what types of fuel are in the tank, and how much of each type of fuel is in the tank, that is leading to those outcomes. It gives us a better idea of what is going on to help people get those positive outcomes."