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theschmed 1 days ago [-]
Another site, which includes a smaller but more professionally curated set of recordings, is Lit2Go (https://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/books/). My children and I for example have greatly enjoyed Lorraine Montgomery’s recording of “Curly and Floppy Twistytail”, a series of delightful nonsense stories performed with gusto. (https://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/183/curly-and-floppy-twistytail-t...) They’re not all aimed at children either, high quality recordings of Dracula, David Copperfield, etc
Min0taur 1 days ago [-]
Ohhh, I never thought I'd see FCIT/lit2go mentioned on HN! I used to work in the sound booth for lit2Go, it was one of my favorite jobs. We had some wonderful vocal talent come through, and I learned much of what I know about recording/mixing from that work.The people in charge of organizing that project were diligent/earnest to the point of sainthood.

They have quite a few historic stereo-views scattered around their open source pic site, I always enjoyed browsing those with my 3d shades on:

https://etc.usf.edu/clippix/search?q=stereoview (They had more than this search would suggest; hopefully they're still around...)

Tryk 20 hours ago [-]
Elisabeth Klett is phenonmenal, way beyond any professional recording I've purchased.

https://librivox.us/search.jsp?search=reader%3A%22Elizabeth+...

WillAdams 2 days ago [-]
One of my favourite novels, H. Beam Piper's _Little Fuzzy_ is in the public domain (because he died intestate and the Commonwealth of Pa. failed to renew his copyrights before they were turned over to his estate).

There is a professional-quality reading of it by Tabithat:

https://librivox.org/little-fuzzy-by-h-beam-piper/

which I recommend highly.

Unfortunately, the quality of the readings can vary widely, and my family has often been unwilling to put up with a poor quality recording on long trips.

That said, I use their app on my phone while doing boring tasks at work, and greatly appreciate the project.

rectangleboy 2 days ago [-]
> Unfortunately, the quality of the readings can vary widely . . . I tried LibriVox in college to listen to difficult-to-understand poems (at the professor's recommendation) on my iPod and my ears couldn't take the harsh plosives that nearly every recording I tried had.
WillAdams 2 days ago [-]
There is a collection of different authors reading Coleridge's "Kublai Khan" which is a great way to get an experience of a lot of different readers and possibly find one you like.

For my part, I'm grateful that folks volunteer their time and energy, and when there is only one reader for a given text, accept it.

Der_Einzige 2 days ago [-]
It really is the e-book version of trying to do "netflix n chill" with FOSS.

It's sad that the best tech projects are not useful to normies.

nl 1 days ago [-]
I don't think "netflix n chill" means what you think it does.
linsomniac 1 days ago [-]
If you're one of today's lucky 10,000: It is slang for having sex, beyond the literal meaning.
Der_Einzige 1 days ago [-]
It means what I think it means.

Do you think a girl wants to deal with you trying to get your torrent streaming system working with your TV? Hell no!

kps 23 hours ago [-]
If she doesn't, it wouldn't have worked out anyway.
spookie 1 days ago [-]
I really appreciate the existence of this project and all people who have contributed to it.

I want to contribute a reading of a book someday in my native tongue, as it is slowly dying (less than 1k speakers). A way of preserving it.

rendall 1 days ago [-]
What is it?
spookie 1 days ago [-]
I fear it would be too personally identifiable lmao

It's within the EU though

tinco 21 hours ago [-]
Your name implies it might be in The Netherlands? Perhaps Bildts?
scotty79 8 hours ago [-]
Dude, if someone's expressing fear of getting doxxed it's not an invitation to keep guessing.
Greta4Gaza 1 days ago [-]
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begemotz 2 days ago [-]
"This is a libravox recording. All libravox recordings are in the public domain..."

I contributed to a Robert Lynd project on libravox many years ago, and I still remember saying these intros.

(Lynd was a wonderful essayist, if anyone might be interested).

jfengel 2 days ago [-]
I know th books are always in the public domain. Are the recordings public domain as well, or are they under a free license like GPL?
harrisi 2 days ago [-]
All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain.

https://librivox.org/pages/about-librivox/

waltbosz 2 days ago [-]
https://librivox.org/the-adventures-of-sherlock-holmes-versi...

David Clarke does a very good narration of many Sherlock Holmes stories.

Moosdijk 2 days ago [-]
I wonder if AI will be a benefit or a detriment to this project.

On the one hand, there’s going to be a lot more, potentially high quality audio books in its repository, on the other hand it goes against the spirit of the project itself.

woodson 2 days ago [-]
The speech data collected by this project has been used for more than a decade to build automatic speech recognition and text-to-speech synthesis systems (see LibriSpeech, LibriTTS, LJSpeech). It definitely has been a benefit to AI.
joshstrange 2 days ago [-]
I think they are talking more about the impact of AI on Librivox, as in people running an ebook through an AI TTS tool and uploading it.

On one hand, a well curated/edited AI recording might be great but a lot of people will (try? Idk their policies) to upload AI slop (no proof-listen, no checking, just laziness).

woodson 1 days ago [-]
I think that, for the purposes of creating high-quality Free audiobooks, the issues are essentially the same with human-generated recordings as with AI generated ones. The recording quality and faithfulness to the original text (both in terms of “content” and the appropriate reading in terms of tone, expression of emotion, etc.) have to be verified. The problem is scale. There will be many more TTS-generated recordings uploaded than human-generated ones. Some automated filters (e.g., ASR WER, audio quality metrics) would be a great first step to discard bad-quality slop right away (though it might unfairly penalize real human accented speech).

Importantly, the recording should indicate whether it was human or AI generated.

reddit_clone 22 hours ago [-]
I get very annoyed at the AI voice overs in youtube shorts and videos (which are showing up more and more lately).

I just close the tab when I realize it is AI. Not sure how long I can do this.

scotty79 8 hours ago [-]
Hopefully long enough till the fraction of AI voices you recognize as AI drops down to less than 10% so you don't get frustrated that often.
username223 1 days ago [-]
> Importantly, the recording should indicate whether it was human or AI generated.

This is all that's necessary. Sometimes I'm fine with mediocre TTS; sometimes I want an actual professional; librivox is somewhere in between, but should clearly specify whether I will be getting an amateur human or a robot.

swores 24 hours ago [-]
I disagree, for the reasons stated by the person you replied to.

Historically, being told that a voice recording is AI generated would be enough to tell you to expect basic TTS robotic voice, but with advances in AI voice generation we're approaching the point where AI can sound as good as real humans - it's not yet to the point where it's easy to generate an audiobook as good as a professional reader, but that point will come in the not too distant future.

And equally on the other side, something being recorded by a human doesn't automatically mean it has the quality of a professionally-read audiobook. This is something LibriVox has always had to deal with, by gatekeeping which volunteer recordings to either give feedback requesting improvements to or to not use at all.

In some but not all cases, an amateur human reader can already be as good as a professional, that will soon be true for AI. For both AI and humans it will remain the case that some efforts are not as good, but the line between them (for quality) isn't going to be whether or not they are AI - though I do agree that AI or not should also be labelled.

username223 23 hours ago [-]
Certainly TTS has improved a lot thanks to modern AI, but it simply doesn't have the information to improve beyond sounding like a human reading words fluently. A professional audiobook reader modulates his tone to reflect narrative mood, chooses voices for the characters consistent with their natures, etc., and transformer models can't do those things.

For an example of a professional audiobook, check out Rob Inglis' version of The Lord of the Rings.

swores 22 hours ago [-]
I agree with you about the current stage of things, which is why I said that we're approaching the point but not yet there for AI to be able to match professional readers.

But I disagree with you when you write "it simply doesn't have the information to improve beyond sounding like a human reading words fluently" - it has the same information when reading it as a human does, meaning that the best implementation would have to not only adapt tone to explicit instructions like "... she shouted", but also read between the lines / make subjective choices to suit the different characters.

AI is already capable of doing sentiment analysis on text, and text to speech models are getting better at being able to simulate moods/emotions rather than just speaking flatly, and I don't think we're many years away, if that, from those two sides being paired together in a way that produces the sort of quality output we're talking about for the first time without human involvement. Add to that the fact that AI can train on the many good examples of humans reading things, they may get to the point of emulating not just the core accent but also how each accent should adopt to what meanings in the text and arrive at a great solution without even needing to go through the steps of analysing what the text means to use that to know how to modify the voice being generated.

username223 21 hours ago [-]
You're more optimistic about this stuff than I am, but I think I get your perspective. We have decent sentiment analysis, fluent text generation, and real-sounding TTS, so combining them will yield a pretty good reading. I agree that you're probably right when it comes to newspaper columns and magazine articles, but that's not on the level of a good audiobook.

To take an example, here's an iconic line from the Fellowship of the Ring:

> The wizard swayed on the bridge, stepped back a pace, and then again stood still. ‘You cannot pass!’ he said.

If you think that is a command, you should shout it like Ian McKellen in the movie. If you think it's a statement based on superior knowledge (see https://acoup.blog/2025/04/25/collections-how-gandalf-proved...), you should probably state it with certainty and fatigue. And if you're making a movie with a ton of crazy special effects and swelling music, you should probably make whatever choice goes best in that context.

Even if a model could make some consistent choice there, I wouldn't be all that interested, because the reader conveying their interpretation of the character to the listener is what matters. Sure, it might get enough Spotify plays to make some money, but it's not art.

kristopolous 1 days ago [-]
I imagine there's various disabilities where audio readings greatly simplify people's lives. They're probably appreciative of anything accurate regardless of whether it's humans talking or not.
spudlyo 2 days ago [-]
I'd like to think that in the future this will be possible, but at present I believe there are still too many uncanny valley problems for me to regard any TTS generated audio books as high quality. I can sometimes tolerate listening to articles or technical essays done this way, but quality audio book narrators often do consistent and distinct character voices, understand complex emotional states, and are capable of reacting to contextual clues and subtext. This seems like a pretty high bar for current TTS models.

Something like NotebookLLM seems shockingly good at first, and gives me hope that eventually we'll have machines that are nearly as good as humans at this; but after listening to it for an hour or so the novelty wore off and the artifice of it now seems galling and distracting.

bookofjoe 1 days ago [-]
>quality audio book narrators often do consistent and distinct character voices, understand complex emotional states, and are capable of reacting to contextual clues and subtext.

The best experience I've ever had with audio books is John le Carré reading his early novels (not in public domain). He uses a different voice for each character and they are SO pulsing with life it's breathtaking.

spudlyo 1 days ago [-]
Thanks for the tip! I love well narrated audiobooks, and I've been meaning to get into one of le Carré's books for a while. I see he narrates the "John le Carré Value Collection" on Audible which has Tailor of Panama, Our Game, and Night Manager for a single credit. Is that what you're referring to?

Along those lines, there is a great 2007 unabridged audiobook[0] of Frank Herbert's Dune that is read by Simon Vance for narration, but other characters are dramatically performed by other voice actors. It's excellent, but sadly a tad bit uneven and inconsistent in production. It's like they got 3/4ths of the way through the project and some of the original voice actors couldn't complete the project and Vance had to pick up the slack. Regardless, it's still one of my favorite audiobooks.

[0]: https://libro.fm/audiobooks/9781427201447-dune

bookofjoe 1 days ago [-]
My favorites are his first books read by him:

"Call For The Dead" and "A Small Town in Germany"

Listen here:

https://youtu.be/e1lmpG3kCDg

https://youtu.be/30QOqAcY4bY

https://youtu.be/0Ik9Gv9s0TQ

https://youtu.be/q79SspzdpLA

https://youtu.be/i3UnPBMouwU

FWIW The three novels in the "Value Collection" are abridged:

https://www.amazon.com/John-le-Carr-Value-Collection-audiobo...

UmYeahNo 2 days ago [-]
Well, you can safely assume that everything in Librivox was used to train the AI. So, "benefit" or "detriment"... you make the call.
Deprogrammer9 1 days ago [-]
https://librivox.org/anarchy-by-errico-malatesta/

this is the way.

dlcarrier 2 days ago [-]
I once couldn't find the audiobook of a book that my book club was reading, and it was a long book at I didn't have time to set aside to solely reading. It turned out that there weren't any commercially produced audiobooks of it, but it was public domain, and I found it on LibriVox.

The book was long and boring, but at least the narrating was good.

abawany 2 days ago [-]
FWIW they now accept donations via the Internet Archive: https://wiki.librivox.org/index.php?title=Donate .
SubGenius 2 days ago [-]
I've enjoyed quite a few very well narrated audiobooks on LibriVox. The Jane Austen novels voiced by Karen Savage are phenomenal.
towledev 2 days ago [-]
Haven't listened to Librivox in years and years, but I still fork over the annual $2.99 because I feel I owe it.

It's horizon-broadening. Lots and lots of interesting reads/listens I never would've picked up otherwise. 1800s ghost stories, darkly racist novels like The Leopard's Spots (good luck getting through the first 10 pages). My favorite is Havelock the Dane: A Tale of Old Grimsby, first written circa the 14th century but thought to be much older. When you listen to it, it is apparent that the author and the intended audience know 100x more about nautical things than you do. It's also charmingly simplistic; the main character is sort of like Conan the Barbarian. He'll do things like "lift a stone the weight of an ox and throw it the length of two men." You imagine the audience being like, "Oh my fucking god.... that's amazing."

Nopoint2 1 days ago [-]
Elizabeth Klett is good too.
bArray 1 days ago [-]
I think there needs to be a way to apply multiple filters, i.e. I want Science Fiction and to listen in English. It would be good to also be able to combine with keywords too.
photochemsyn 2 days ago [-]
A real gem is the Adrian Praetzellis reading of Kim by Rudyard Kipling:

https://librivox.org/kim-by-rudyard-kipling/

hombre_fatal 2 days ago [-]
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cdrini 2 days ago [-]
We don't have the entire LibriVox collection imported, but here are the most logged books on Open Library that are on LibriVox: https://openlibrary.org/search?q=id_librivox%3A%2A&mode=ever...
hombre_fatal 2 days ago [-]
See, this is nice and actionable.

And Open Library's homepage has what I'm talking about. It gives the visitor some leads on things to check out.

palata 2 days ago [-]
> Librivox is a non-commercial, non-profit and ad-free project

Wanna contribute, maybe? Instead of complaining about them giving you stuff for free?

hombre_fatal 2 days ago [-]
Shouldn't they care more about UX than a random HNer?
brenns10 1 days ago [-]
Honestly I find this quite frustrating. I really dislike when folks like yourself take your product-focused mindset into open source/public domain projects.

These people are NOT BUILDING A PRODUCT. There ARE NO USERS. No customers. No investors. No business considerations. There are just contributors, donating their time and money to a project they feel is worthwhile.

If they don't want to focus on "UX," they don't need to. If a person who believes in the project lends their time toward improving UX, they can. But it's not the job of ANYONE, contributor or maintainer, to do anything that doesn't serve the existing contributors.

And I know that sucks for welcoming new folks. I know it would be better for a project to do outreach. To try to position themselves to bring in new members. Many such projects do that. But it sure is galling to suggest that it's a project's JOB to do something more when they're providing tons of free content to you. If it mattered enough for you to comment, go work on it!

hombre_fatal 1 days ago [-]
This is like saying you shouldn't put any effort into your README.md because you're just a smol bean.

It's your project you just put all this effort into, yet a little consideration for the end-user is beyond the pale?

palata 1 days ago [-]
They do it for free. They do whatever they want. If you want more, you can contribute for free (or can't you be bothered to do it?). If you don't like it, don't use it.

> Man, nobody at LibriVox can be bothered to

Did you ever bother to provide something useful for free? I mean other than your complaints (in case you consider them useful).

I built a few open source projects. And too many users are like you. They don't contribute shit but they come with their complaints because it's not enough to give it for free, they want it tailored for themselves. Because of users like you, I stopped caring entirely. My new personal projects are not open source, so that I don't get the complaints.

hombre_fatal 1 days ago [-]
I have all sorts of open source projects including services I run as a charity for thousands of users.

If I'm going to build something for people to use, then I'm going to also think about consider their user experience. It's the same reason why I polish a README. Why would you drop the ball after all that work?

palata 24 hours ago [-]
This is your opinion, and you are free to do whatever the fuck you want, precisely because you do it for free, in your free time.

I don't come telling you that your projects suck or that you apparently can't be bothered to mention them on your profile.

It has a lot to do with the tone you use. Had you said "It's a great project, I wonder if they thought about adding X", I wouldn't have said anything. But you said "Man, nobody at LibriVox can be bothered to", which is disrespectful. The fact that you don't seem to realise suggests that you are part of those people that make open source toxic (often not in purpose).

I have many examples where people came to my open source project and heavily complained because they struggled with something, or pressured me into implementing a feature for them (for free, obviously) or into changing the licence, etc. And when I tell them how toxic their behaviour is, many times they hadn't realise (some apologise, some are jerks). Still their behaviour is toxic.

When people do stuff for free, we should at least be respectful.

bookofjoe 1 days ago [-]
This x 100.
mkfs 1 days ago [-]
Haven't they given enough of their time, effort, and money already?
hagbard_c 2 days ago [-]
No, this is fine for what this is, essentially a library catalogue. I prefer this over the pushy this is what others are reading type of interface as I tend to access these catalogues knowing what I'm looking for. If I want to know what others are reading/listening to I'll go to a book recommendation site or forum and take it from there. Library catalogues should be neutral, just show what is on offer and leave the popularity contest to others.
hombre_fatal 2 days ago [-]
But you already have a search box and alphabetical list if that's what gets you excited. What about the rest of us?

Building a featured or popular section is basic UX and creates a nice call to action to let the visitor see what they can expect without browsing to see if the site has any books they want.

Even my local library puts more work into their homepage with a featured reads section. So disappointing when nobody cares about UX or holds minority HNer views like "a featured list on the homepage is bad and pushy–I quite like alphabetical lists myself".

mxuribe 2 days ago [-]
Maybe your comments didn't meant to come off like those people who complain about volunteer efforts, and maybe you legitamately meant them in goodwill...but, have you considered submitting this as feedback directly at the project - instead of on HN? What might seem obvious to you, may not seem obvious to the *volunteers* of this effort. (Or, maybe they address this aspect within their forums - i honestly don't know?) Maybe send some feedback and suggestions - in a respectful manner - to the volunteers who manage this effort, so that, they can consider your suggestions?
hombre_fatal 1 days ago [-]
Hey, maybe you're right about that. I was feeling pretty mischievous when I made that original comment.

If someone were to do that, one idea is to pitch is that they can inline some different LibriVox recommendation lists on the homepage: https://www.google.com/search?q=librivox+book+recommendation...

Doesn't even involve a DB query. Maybe store 10 lists in JS/HTML and randomly pick one on every homepage page load.

For a project that depends on thousands of hours of donated content from strangers, 10 minutes of work on the homepage to promote some high quality donations isn't a big ask. That's a decent thing to remind them of when they resist the suggestion.

BeetleB 2 days ago [-]
I mirror the sentiments: I prefer not having these on their page, and would prefer individuals/other orgs make their own curated list of "good listens on LibriVox".

> What about the rest of us?

His/my suggestion satisfies your need. Just Google "Librivox audiobook recommendations".

> Even my local library puts more work into their homepage with a featured reads section.

They're getting paid. You're asking the folks behind LibriVox to have a good sense of what's good on their site. Do they have that bandwidth (and this is a recurring task forever)?

hombre_fatal 1 days ago [-]
This thread reminds me why UX is so bad on most services.

Most developers think of MX (My Experience), not UX.

You're okay with going to different websites to find a book you might want to listen to. So everyone else should prefer that experience.

Or, you could write a database query that finds the top 5 reads in 5 genres that runs once a week for the homepage. Or you can copy a few of those book recommendations onto the homepage and give people a nice place to start clicking around (great idea).

All this resistance in the replies to a tiny bit of consideration for the website visitor just reveals another piece to the puzzle of why good UX is so rare.

I've brought this up in the last couple comments, but it really is like listening to people go to war defending why they don't need a README for their Github repo. Except in LibriVox's case, it's a repo that everyone else spent hours of their life contributing to. Just make the dang README. Promote a few volunteer contributions.

BeetleB 1 days ago [-]
> Most developers think of MX (My Experience), not UX.

Yes, yes and yes. I don't know how long you've been around, but in the (earlier) days of open source, this was very explicit: Open source authors are writing to solve their problem, not their users' problems. If they go out of their way to solve other people's problems, that's certainly nice, but not to be expected. This was very explicit, and well understood.

We're not arguing with you that having a well curated list is a bad idea from a user's perspective. We're pointing out that doing it well is work, and doing it poorly does make things worse. We don't want people burnt out, so we don't want to push for this.

> Or, you could write a database query that finds the top 5 reads in 5 genres that runs once a week for the homepage.

This is the opposite of a well curated list. In my experience, such lists based on raw numbers leads to a poorer experience. There's a reason HN doesn't follow this approach.

> Except in LibriVox's case, it's a repo that everyone else spent hours of their life contributing to. Just make the dang README. Promote a few volunteer contributions.

Talk is cheap. Do you want to spend the time making a curated list? If so, go forth and volunteer!

hagbard_c 2 days ago [-]
Feel free to make or sponsor a recommendation site which provides the features you requested. If you build or sponsor it and enough people agree with the need for such a site they will come flocking to it. If you think Librivox really needs this feature you may be able to convince them by submitting code or funds to produce code to implement it.
Barbing 2 days ago [-]
Yes to the reply by mx, and—

I’d find this (speaking of!) engaging, with just three changes:

>Hey, anybody at LibriVox considered curating a "Featured reads" section or making a "Popular reads" section for the homepage?

Fitting for random HN commenters such as ourselves :)

edit: typo

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miki123211 1 days ago [-]
I wonder if we could make LibriVox, but with Eleven Labs.

Sure, Eleven Labs isn't anywhere near as good as professional narration (yet), but it's better than your average Librivox reader for sure.

At this point, it's just a matter of throwing money at the problem (and not that much money at that), and that's usually easier than finding talent.

parkersweb 1 days ago [-]
I think Eleven Labs has essentially done that already with ElevenReader haven’t they?