I agree that open source infrastructure needs to be funded. I think first there needs to be a mindset shift in who's responsible for open source.
Currently when new vulnerabilities pop up (i.e. xz-utils compromise, log4j shell), people are quick to blame the maintainers for it. Why shouldn't companies instead be responsible for these vulnerabilities?
Currently, companies treat open source code as someone else's, so they don't bother to audit, maintain it, or fund it.
Clearly, this is wrong, and reflected in the oss license, which states that code is solely consumer's responsibility.
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maelito 10 minutes ago [-]
It's hard to count but my guess is that in France, the French government is the main creator of open-source software in France.
Contribution to existing projects lacks behind, but it's getting better.
zihotki 15 minutes ago [-]
Quite often the public infrastructure (at least in some EU countries) is funded in the way so that the investors give the funds and then a small fee is collected and used to pay for the loan and maintenance. Sometimes after the loan is fully paid the infra usage fees are waived.
This is something like commercial open source
zoobab 9 minutes ago [-]
The money of running Linux in government is probably already flowing to the US, in the pockets of Redhat and IBM.
fennecfoxy 42 minutes ago [-]
The public barely want to fund public infrastructure, for the electricity they use, the water they drink. And especially not for the electricity and water that their neighbours, or people across town, or people somewhere else in the country need.
kruffalon 40 minutes ago [-]
Yes we do, who do you think is "the public"?
Most people like working societies and a huge part of that is reliable infrastructure.
graemep 33 minutes ago [-]
I think it is an illusion created by people rich enough to pay for things themselves. it is easy for those with the loudest voices to pass as "the public".
tgma 4 hours ago [-]
I would be much more excited in finding ways to fund public infrastructure like Amazon does Prime rather than going the other way around. If anything, academic open source which is the closest alternative has not really produced much and the production open source that actually works is by and large corporate-sponsored.
P.S. The article also opens by contrasting open source consumption and contribution. In a certain sense, as the article acknowledges later, I care much much more about government consuming free software, as a neutral platform to avoid lock-in for themselves and the taxpayer, as well as providing an open foundation for integration and letting people use free software if they choose to (and not lock them to iOS and Android, for instance.) That alone is one of the biggest ways they can contribute. The actual code contribution will come naturally if they do that.
KingMob 3 hours ago [-]
Not sure why you think academic open source is the closest alternative. The article doesn't mention academia, but does explicitly name govt-run public goods like roads, fire departments, etc.
I think looking at those is much more instructive as to what govt-funded FOSS might be like.
tgma 2 hours ago [-]
Because we already have some government funded open source run by academics, so that is a grounded approximation of how well or poorly it could look like.
I don't know where you live, but I hope OpenSSL is not developed like the roads I drive on. That's not some grand aspiration.
e40 3 hours ago [-]
Generally the people working on academic oss have other incentives (degree, research) and they are often on the inexperienced side.
If it was a primary function and was staffed independently of educational programs, it could work and be a great teaching tool for actual students.
graemep 32 minutes ago [-]
Research is not carried out by the inexperienced!
JimDabell 3 hours ago [-]
> fund public infrastructure like Amazon does Prime
I’m not sure I understand what you mean by this?
tgma 3 hours ago [-]
A capitalist institution, in this case Amazon, charges some basic tax for providing basic services, e.g. package delivery, that have overlap with traditionally public infrastructure, but executes at a higher quality.
One could imagine something like RedHat or a quasi-coop Apache Foundation that actually employs high-quality people and pays them to develop code and sells subscription/support.
pacifika 1 hours ago [-]
Good article. Could come across a bit like an unintentional bait and switch from the other point of view though, these projects love to see adoption but then require funding to maintain? Maybe setting the project up more commercially that then self funds the open source platform like Laravel is a more sustainable model?
sirwitti 5 hours ago [-]
Just in case people don't realize, the author is Dries Buytaert who created drupal.
sam_lowry_ 4 hours ago [-]
Once successful PHP-based CMS that succumbed to in-fighting, poor code and excessive drug use among its top proponents?
sirwitti 4 hours ago [-]
Why once successful?
But more importantly, tell me more about the scandals, I love good gossip :)
flowerthoughts 5 hours ago [-]
Perhaps make open source work tax deductible, just like charity donations?
tgma 4 hours ago [-]
Isn't it already? You deduct the salary expense from your corporate profits.
chii 5 hours ago [-]
but what would be the deducted amount, in dollar value, when the work is voluntary? Do you get assigned a dollar value per line, per hour worked, or you just guestimate?
Woodi 2 hours ago [-]
yes, yes, everybody know that now...
but software is just not-a-base thing - it needs cpu's, computers. If you want
realy independence do base thing - computer hardware ! Make small hardware that just can run Linux, can display things and use keyboard and mouse... Do eg. Dennmark do this ? Or Bosh ? Or...
Computers just to connect to internet and send some messages via IRC or something... ;)
Podrod 31 minutes ago [-]
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vitonsky 2 hours ago [-]
One yet another narrative that claim all people owe to an open source.
I believe, once in deep future, an open source developers will grown and stop repeating this sectarian mantra.
No one owes you anything. If you do opensource and you need in money - use your open source as marketing tool to promote services you sell.
I think those who believe a companies will pay to you for a random OSS is just a kids. Ask people who can use a sheets, they explain you why your product will die with this approach.
rglullis 1 hours ago [-]
No one owes anything to any particular project or developer.
The thing to understand about discussions around funding FOSS projects is that it should be clear that society as a whole would benefit immensely from a strategic investment in commons-based software infrastructure.
securesaml 1 hours ago [-]
sure. But companies believe that open source developers owe everything to the them (i.e. fixing bugs, contributing to feature requests, critical security releases ...).
squigz 2 hours ago [-]
Quite literally the entire world owes a lot to open source, as countless open source projects power IT globally.
Ekaros 1 hours ago [-]
A society would owe something to person picking up trash in their free time. But I am pretty sure society will never end up paying even minimum wage for that labour...
It is similar to open source... Something has value and is good for society, but society neither has willingness or ways to reward it.
kevingadd 46 minutes ago [-]
Where I live in Seattle we fund keeping the streets in good condition. I see city staff roaming around during the day from time to time wearing hi-vis, doing stuff like picking up trash or removing graffiti.
If trash is lying around only getting picked up by generous citizens in their spare time, what that implies is that the city/county have chosen not to invest in maintaining the streets, and the citizens have elected to throw trash everywhere. I don't think we should take either of those conditions as a given. Better things are possible.
fsflover 1 hours ago [-]
So because it's wrong in your picking-trash example, it should remain wrong with FLOSS too?
vitonsky 1 hours ago [-]
How exactly this vision will make money for you?
Currently it sounds you just a kid who want to be paid. Is there anything more except "you all owe to me" in this claim?
Currently when new vulnerabilities pop up (i.e. xz-utils compromise, log4j shell), people are quick to blame the maintainers for it. Why shouldn't companies instead be responsible for these vulnerabilities?
Currently, companies treat open source code as someone else's, so they don't bother to audit, maintain it, or fund it. Clearly, this is wrong, and reflected in the oss license, which states that code is solely consumer's responsibility.
Contribution to existing projects lacks behind, but it's getting better.
This is something like commercial open source
Most people like working societies and a huge part of that is reliable infrastructure.
P.S. The article also opens by contrasting open source consumption and contribution. In a certain sense, as the article acknowledges later, I care much much more about government consuming free software, as a neutral platform to avoid lock-in for themselves and the taxpayer, as well as providing an open foundation for integration and letting people use free software if they choose to (and not lock them to iOS and Android, for instance.) That alone is one of the biggest ways they can contribute. The actual code contribution will come naturally if they do that.
I think looking at those is much more instructive as to what govt-funded FOSS might be like.
I don't know where you live, but I hope OpenSSL is not developed like the roads I drive on. That's not some grand aspiration.
If it was a primary function and was staffed independently of educational programs, it could work and be a great teaching tool for actual students.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean by this?
One could imagine something like RedHat or a quasi-coop Apache Foundation that actually employs high-quality people and pays them to develop code and sells subscription/support.
But more importantly, tell me more about the scandals, I love good gossip :)
but software is just not-a-base thing - it needs cpu's, computers. If you want realy independence do base thing - computer hardware ! Make small hardware that just can run Linux, can display things and use keyboard and mouse... Do eg. Dennmark do this ? Or Bosh ? Or...
Computers just to connect to internet and send some messages via IRC or something... ;)
I believe, once in deep future, an open source developers will grown and stop repeating this sectarian mantra.
No one owes you anything. If you do opensource and you need in money - use your open source as marketing tool to promote services you sell.
It's simple as 2+2, I've mention it in my blog post https://vitonsky.net/blog/2025/06/24/open-source/
I think those who believe a companies will pay to you for a random OSS is just a kids. Ask people who can use a sheets, they explain you why your product will die with this approach.
The thing to understand about discussions around funding FOSS projects is that it should be clear that society as a whole would benefit immensely from a strategic investment in commons-based software infrastructure.
It is similar to open source... Something has value and is good for society, but society neither has willingness or ways to reward it.
If trash is lying around only getting picked up by generous citizens in their spare time, what that implies is that the city/county have chosen not to invest in maintaining the streets, and the citizens have elected to throw trash everywhere. I don't think we should take either of those conditions as a given. Better things are possible.
Currently it sounds you just a kid who want to be paid. Is there anything more except "you all owe to me" in this claim?