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▲Unusual circuits in the Intel 386's standard cell logicrighto.com
37 points by Stratoscope 2 hours ago | 6 comments
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userbinator 19 minutes ago [-]
But in the end, the 386 finished ahead of schedule, an almost unheard-of accomplishment.

Does that schedule include all the revisions they did too? The first few were almost uselessly buggy:

https://www.pcjs.org/documents/manuals/intel/80386/

wolfi1 8 minutes ago [-]
if I remember correctly the 386 didn't have branch prediction so as a thought experiment how would a 386 with design sizes from today (~9nm) fare with the other chips?
skissane 47 minutes ago [-]
> Regenerating the cell layout was very costly, taking many hours on an IBM mainframe computer.

I would love to know more about this – how much info is publicly available on how Intel used mainframes to design the 386? Did they develop their own software, or use something off-the-shelf? And I'm somewhat surprised they used IBM mainframes, instead of something like a VAX.

themafia 21 minutes ago [-]
There's not a lot of "off the shelf" in terms of mainframes. You're usually buying some type of contract. In that case I would expect a lot of direct support for customer created modules that took an existing software library and turned into the specific application they required.
burnt-resistor 6 minutes ago [-]
I'm curious to know which model, speed, voltage, stepping, and package writing sample(s) were evaluated because there isn't just one 386. i386DX I assume but it doesn't specify whether it was a buggy 32-bit multiply or "ΣΣ" or newer.

"Showing one's work" would need details that are verifiable and reproducible.

z3ratul163071 31 minutes ago [-]
amazing and very informative work. thank you!